To not nail gun 10 is actually impressive.
Whatever we were doing to identify and then develop further hopefully we’re doing the complete opposite!
Injury riddled Pasitoa in there too.
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Whatever we were doing to identify and then develop further hopefully we’re doing the complete opposite!
Injury riddled Pasitoa in there too.
The Ghost of Raelene
Rod McCall (65)
Watching Meredith the other night made me think about how professionalism has hurt the ability of natural development in Rugby in Aus.
He's 26 and looks very assured and I'd trust him with the keys to any pro side.
Because we have limited resources when you get paid, you play. Remember some of the bad Lote days where he was trying to find his speed again and all sorts of shit. Kept picking him though.
He's 26 and looks very assured and I'd trust him with the keys to any pro side.
Because we have limited resources when you get paid, you play. Remember some of the bad Lote days where he was trying to find his speed again and all sorts of shit. Kept picking him though.
PhilClinton
Mark Ella (57)
Same Greene for me is one of the biggest What Ifs when it comes to 10s coming through our system. I've heard people say "he has been decent in Japan but not great" and I reckon that's not a great barometer because he hasn't been asked to play to the same level if he was still in Australia and trying to crack a starting SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) side or make the Wallabies.
The Ghost of Raelene
Rod McCall (65)
He's on the bench for Japan this weekend right? Good on him.
All these guys carry a what-if because they have the ability to dominate the level below Super Rugby. Deegan was huge for Ranwick winning the SS. McGregor at 15 for Gordon.
Japanese comp in my mind generally sits slightly below Super Rugby standard but WAY better than Club so when a guy can find the right team and get starts like Sam has 15/15 starts when fit this year in a side that went 14/4 he's been rewarded. He's earnt everything he's getting so good on him. Not sure if it would have turned out that way with the in game pressure and chaos of Aus or France. He could probably be a neat 10 for a bottom half English side.
All these guys carry a what-if because they have the ability to dominate the level below Super Rugby. Deegan was huge for Ranwick winning the SS. McGregor at 15 for Gordon.
Japanese comp in my mind generally sits slightly below Super Rugby standard but WAY better than Club so when a guy can find the right team and get starts like Sam has 15/15 starts when fit this year in a side that went 14/4 he's been rewarded. He's earnt everything he's getting so good on him. Not sure if it would have turned out that way with the in game pressure and chaos of Aus or France. He could probably be a neat 10 for a bottom half English side.
It's pretty clear that being the best 10 in a particular age group is not really a sign that you're going to go onto great things.
I would certainly err on the side of suggesting these players were never good enough to become test stars rather than their development being mismanaged.
It's telling that this year we have Joey Fowler who while quite skilled is too small and most people here don't really give him much prospect of making it as professional. He absolutely deserves to be in the under 20 squad but it's hard to see him making it at the next level.
The Ghost of Raelene
Rod McCall (65)
That's why I say decent but not elite. You can get a job and if you find the right place like Greene has, you can have a long career but there is a ceiling if you don't have at least outlier skill whether that be kicking, speed, size or power.
Wilson
Tim Horan (67)
The contrast year to year is so stark when you look at the 2019 side - Harrison, Donaldson, Lolesio and Lucas likely would've all started at 10 above the guys on that list in their years, and by and large have gone to more successful careers (Harrison a bit of an injury interrupted exception, but there's still plenty of time).
Had it not been for Covid then the 2020 year would've seen Carter Gordon, Tane Edmed and maybe a slightly younger Pasitoa competing for the spot, and that's probably another crop with plenty more potential than the guys in that list.