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Refereeing decisions

Strewthcobber

Strewthcobber

David Codey (61)
I don't criticise refs very much, but the award for worst bit of refereeing of the week, and front runner for the worst of the season goes to South African referee Griffin Colby in the URC.

He awarded a penalty try and YC, but didn't communicate to the team who it was that was YCed, and then allowed play to commence with the unaware player still on the field.

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Incredibly rare hiccup during Welsh derby leaves fans fuming by referee mare

Scarlets' 38-22 victory over Ospreys in the United Rugby Championship Welsh derby has been marred by officiating controversy.
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D-Box

D-Box

Cyril Towers (30)
So how close do people think the Sean Withy upgraded red was to an on field red?

Doesn't commit untill its obvious the try will be scored.

Leads with the knees and makes contact with the head.

It always looked red and was the fastest upgrade i think I've seen
 
SteveWA

SteveWA

Charlie Fox (21)
D-Box said:
So how close do people think the Sean Withy upgraded red was to an on field red?

Doesn't commit untill its obvious the try will be scored.

Leads with the knees and makes contact with the head.

It always looked red and was the fastest upgrade i think I've seen
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I think it was the right decision. It was reckless but I doubt he set out to knee Potter in the head, and certainly not twice. My only question is why the on-field officials didn’t see it and it had to be brought to their attention by the ground announcer and TMO :)
 
Dan54

Dan54

David Wilson (68)
SteveWA said:
I think it was the right decision. It was reckless but I doubt he set out to knee Potter in the head, and certainly not twice. My only question is why the on-field officials didn’t see it and it had to be brought to their attention by the ground announcer and TMO :)
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Ground announcer?? Why is the ground announcer telling the ref what to look at? I think you would find it the TMO.
 
SteveWA

SteveWA

Charlie Fox (21)
Dan54 said:
Ground announcer?? Why is the ground announcer telling the ref what to look at? I think you would find it the TMO.
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Why not? Everyone at the ground had seen it except those who should have seen it, even after it was replayed on the big screen. The onfield officials seemed disinterested and were about to restart play. Perhaps they had already got the call it was being reviewed. We’ll never know,
 
Shiggins

Shiggins

David Codey (61)
Remember when north lifted Izzy when Izzy tackled him against the lions. I've seen it a couple more times this year. In sevens as well. How isn't this a penalty when the attacker lifts the player past the Horizontal? I thought it's an easy pick for the ref but none of them pick it. If the tackle let's go when they are up and land on there head surely it's a card.
 
Dan54

Dan54

David Wilson (68)
SteveWA said:
Why not? Everyone at the ground had seen it except those who should have seen it, even after it was replayed on the big screen. The onfield officials seemed disinterested and were about to restart play. Perhaps they had already got the call it was being reviewed. We’ll never know,
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I was saying a ref shouldn't listen to a ground announcer or crowd either! I think we have all been at multiple games where home crowd etc is baying for opposition blood, for either wrong tackle, off side etc etc, and in most cases they have no idea of laws of game etc, but are seeing what they want to see. And I think an announcer who tries to influence a ref shouldn't have a job really.
 
Strewthcobber

Strewthcobber

David Codey (61)
Shiggins said:
Remember when north lifted Izzy when Izzy tackled him against the lions. I've seen it a couple more times this year. In sevens as well. How isn't this a penalty when the attacker lifts the player past the Horizontal? I thought it's an easy pick for the ref but none of them pick it. If the tackle let's go when they are up and land on there head surely it's a card.
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Lifting a player by itself isn't illegal. You need a lift and a drop. So it depends what happens next

9.18 A player must not lift an opponent off the ground and drop or drive that player so that their head and/or upper body make contact with the ground.
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JRugby2

JRugby2

Vay Wilson (31)
D-Box said:
So how close do people think the Sean Withy upgraded red was to an on field red?

Doesn't commit untill its obvious the try will be scored.

Leads with the knees and makes contact with the head.

It always looked red and was the fastest upgrade i think I've seen
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For reference, below is the process for Super Rugby 2023 when it was introduced and I don't think it's changed. It's purposefully vague like a lot of things in rugby to leave room for referee discretion, but in practice - I think we'll only ever see on field RCs for incidents that are completely disconnected from the game - ie: punches, stomps, eye gouges etc etc. - which I believe is a good thing.

Even though I agree with everything above, a referee would be mad not to use the resources available to them to review the incident in all of it's context to make sure there wasn't something they've missed that would mitigate the severity of the punishment.

All incidents of potential foul play identified by the Match Official (MO) team are reviewed to determine what level of sanction applies. The following sanctions may be applied after the initial review by the on-field MO team:

  • Play On: in the event no foul play is evident; or
  • Penalty Kick: in the event foul play is evident but at a low level of danger and/or significant mitigating factors are evident; or
  • Yellow Card: in the event foul play is evident but at an increased level of danger and potential mitigating factor/s are present; or
  • Red Card: in the event foul play is evident and determined to be deliberate and with a high level of danger. The Red Card would see the player removed from the match and not be replaced.
Any incident of foul play, that contains dangerous actions, that is adjudicated at a Yellow Card level on field will automatically be reviewed by the TMO during the 10 minute period the player is off the field. The TMO will follow existing laws and law application guidelines for specific incidents to determine the correct sanction for the incident. The possible sanctions are:

  • Yellow Card sanction in which the Player is entitled to return at the conclusion of the 10 minute period; or
  • Red Card sanction in which the Player would be removed from the match but would be permitted to be replaced after 20 minutes from the time of the incident.
The TMO will inform the Match Officials of their decision no later than 8 minutes into the 10 minute review period to provide Teams sufficient time to make any adjustments needed and for the Player to be able to prepare to re-enter the match in the case of a Yellow Card.
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