CAS Rugby 2023

[The Ghost of Raelene]

Must be a timer on this conversation.

Every year

 

[Snort]

Incidentally, not to talk about the actual games or anything, but I gather Trinity plays St Pius this weekend, not St Gregs.

 

[Ziggy]

I hear you, Waves generally has decent depth so I think Joeys would go head to head at least for A's and B's at a minimum and then alternate. it's a different situation if they play a school like Barker where there is no depth, you would probably play their A's against Joeys B's and find a worthwhile opponent for the A's and other games for the lower grades. Not sure what Views capper is but I wouldn't like to send lower graded players out against Waves teams. Perhaps the View boys are treating the weekend as belated penance for Easter.

100% Agree
Don't pay too much attention to the Waves vs New result as Waves had a few players out and a full strength Waves vs A Full strength New would be an more even contest.
I believe a few Waves players return this week and they should do View with ease.

Overall from 13's-16's, Waves has very good depth into As and Bs as most play for either Randwick Warriors, Easts or junior league club on a Sunday. Beyond that it then starts to drop off.

I think one of the major problems at Waverley (and I imagine this goes for other schools) is the handing out of "scholarships" to players that come into year 11 and 12. Like someone else mentioned before these are almost semi pro players and they can at times break up the cohesion built over the 3-4 years and this annoys other team members as well. Eg. A full paying student and an A's player from 13's to 16's can all of a sudden be relegated to a lower team because of a scholarship player. It's not to say that the particular scholarship is better but there have been promises made.

I also don't know what the rules are around players that repeat year 12 but I believe that if a student repeats year 12, then they are not eligible to play.

 

[WLF3]

100% Agree
Don't pay too much attention to the Waves vs New result as Waves had a few players out and a full strength Waves vs A Full strength New would be an more even contest.
I believe a few Waves players return this week and they should do View with ease.

Overall from 13's-16's, Waves has very good depth into As and Bs as most play for either Randwick Warriors, Easts or junior league club on a Sunday. Beyond that it then starts to drop off.

I think one of the major problems at Waverley (and I imagine this goes for other schools) is the handing out of "scholarships" to players that come into year 11 and 12. Like someone else mentioned before these are almost semi pro players and they can at times break up the cohesion built over the 3-4 years and this annoys other team members as well. Eg. A full paying student and an A's player from 13's to 16's can all of a sudden be relegated to a lower team because of a scholarship player. It's not to say that the particular scholarship is better but there have been promises made.

I also don't know what the rules are around players that repeat year 12 but I believe that if a student repeats year 12, then they are not eligible to play.

They can play if under 19 in that year I believe, the rest I absolutely agree with and the issues it creates are proven.

 

[Walshy81]

Based on the match report Cranbrook had 13 entries into Auggies 22 compared to their 5 into Cranbrooks. Good signs yet obviously issues with execution on the day.

Hey Fanatic, I get it. Let's hope Cranbrook sort that out. Maybe Auggies defence was/is very good.

Any idea who Cranbrook play on 27 May in the last trial - CAS website still has Auggies listed, but obviously that's no longer the case.

 

[Jumping_jack]

There is one Waverly kid that has had joined Joeys this year. He is in the thirds or fourths, his family have a connection that goes some way back.

He got a run in the firsts on the weekend.

 

[Brumbie run]

Hey Fanatic, I get it. Let's hope Cranbrook sort that out. Maybe Auggies defence was/is very good.

Any idea who Cranbrook play on 27 May in the last trial - CAS website still has Auggies listed, but obviously that's no longer the case.

Cranbrook vs augs is correct, they play each other again.

 

[Jumping_jack]

100% Agree
Don't pay too much attention to the Waves vs New result as Waves had a few players out and a full strength Waves vs A Full strength New would be an more even contest.
I believe a few Waves players return this week and they should do View with ease.

Overall from 13's-16's, Waves has very good depth into As and Bs as most play for either Randwick Warriors, Easts or junior league club on a Sunday. Beyond that it then starts to drop off.

I think one of the major problems at Waverley (and I imagine this goes for other schools) is the handing out of "scholarships" to players that come into year 11 and 12. Like someone else mentioned before these are almost semi pro players and they can at times break up the cohesion built over the 3-4 years and this annoys other team members as well. Eg. A full paying student and an A's player from 13's to 16's can all of a sudden be relegated to a lower team because of a scholarship player. It's not to say that the particular scholarship is better but there have been promises made.

I also don't know what the rules are around players that repeat year 12 but I believe that if a student repeats year 12, then they are not eligible to play.

I think you don’t know what your talking about.

8 - 9 Waverley genuine 1sts players out this week. More than the 6-7 of last week.

 

[CAS Fanatic]

Hey Fanatic, I get it. Let's hope Cranbrook sort that out. Maybe Auggies defence was/is very good.

Any idea who Cranbrook play on 27 May in the last trial - CAS website still has Auggies listed, but obviously that's no longer the case.

Cranbrook vs augs is correct, they play each other again.

Yeh both schools will face off again in a Friday night thriller down at easts 1, should be a good telling for how both sides have progressed.

 

[dusk]

100% Agree
Don't pay too much attention to the Waves vs New result as Waves had a few players out and a full strength Waves vs A Full strength New would be an more even contest.

I love these completely 1 sided comparisons. Newington have also been experimenting (and lost their star scrum half Koby Owen due to an ACL injury earlier this year), the same way any school does in trial matches. Injuries or not, Waverly got out classed by a talented and well drilled side. The trial match between Newington and Knox a week before will tell you the same thing.

 

[Walshy81]

Yeh both schools will face off again in a Friday night thriller down at easts 1, should be a good telling for how both sides have progressed.

I'll make an early prediction... Brook by 10.

 

[Jumping_jack]

I love these completely 1 sided comparisons. Newington have also been experimenting (and lost their star scrum half Koby Owen due to an ACL injury earlier this year), the same way any school does in trial matches. Injuries or not, Waverly got out classed by a talented and well drilled side. The trial match between Newington and Knox a week before will tell you the same thing.

100% Newington were better on the weekend and won deservedly.

Injuries have impacted the Waverley team to a pretty huge degree though.

This weekend Waverley will be missing 5 genuine players from their 1st XV forward pack and 3 genuine backs(including the centre pairing from last year) and a fringe winger.

And it’s not as though they have lost no ones. It’s all the rep players/returning first XV players that are out. They will be a different team if they get them all back by CAS, but they’re 2nd XV in particular this weekend will be particularly weak, it’s almost lucky they are playing view thirds.

 

[RedOrDead]

Pfffft “hell” … the Dudes Literally in the wallaby squad not even a year out of school

Yes. He's FANTASTIC. Incredible. I love him. One of our only bright spots...

But Barker had that bloke in the doldrums. He barely broke a tackle.

Joeys weren't beating Barker.

 

[RedOrDead]

True … the GPS could offer membership to a new school…. Let’s see how quickly the “merged-competition”… “good for the game” brigade go radio silent if that suddenly became a possibility for one of them

If you really think the GPS is just a collection of the most superior schools in Sydney anymore boy do I have news for you...

It is not as prestigious as it once was.

 

[CAS Fanatic]

Predictions for the weekend:

View v Waves: view 5+
Knox v Shore: knox 12+
New v Barker: barker 5+
Pats v Brook: brook 10+
Aloys v Stannies: stannies 20+
Trinity v Pius: trinity 15+

 

[Goosestep]

But Barker had that bloke in the doldrums. He barely broke a tackle.

Barker > wallabies

 

[Halfbackenthusiast]

Is this what has become of the CAS system? You have allowed already sporting scholarships, created an arms race for the best talent you can lure from leagues club and domestic rep teams and then you think your rugby program is designed purely for entertaining the great unwashed masses and creating financial incentive for kids who should be studying. No thank you. Schoolboy is a for school boys NOT semi professional players and those who wish to create empires.

Finally, AAGPS and CAS do play one another in a match that pits the best of each.
Last year was...

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I’m sorry scholarships are offered to boys who wouldn’t otherwise be able to attend private schools it’s absolutely disgusting. Helping others is something shouldn’t be a key foundation of schooling

 

[Halfbackenthusiast]

100% Newington were better on the weekend and won deservedly.

Injuries have impacted the Waverley team to a pretty huge degree though.

This weekend Waverley will be missing 5 genuine players from their 1st XV forward pack and 3 genuine backs(including the centre pairing from last year) and a fringe winger.

And it’s not as though they have lost no ones. It’s all the rep players/returning first XV players that are out. They will be a different team if they get them all back by CAS, but they’re 2nd XV in particular this weekend will be particularly weak, it’s almost lucky they are playing view thirds.

Do you have a predicted waverly side for this week and who’s returning?

 

[Goosestep]

If you really think the GPS is just a collection of the most superior schools in Sydney anymore boy do I have news for you...

It is not as prestigious as it once was.

Bet the house they’d all jump ship

 

[WLF3]

I’m sorry scholarships are offered to boys who wouldn’t otherwise be able to attend private schools it’s absolutely disgusting. Helping others is something shouldn’t be a key foundation of schooling

Sorry, you guys should stop this smoke screen of Holier than though ( and I am not religious).
In most cases Rugby Scholarships are offered for 1 purpose, and 1 purpose only, to win the comp.

If we need to be honest these boys who come in very late, typically aren't ATAR boys, they may do the ATAR but that's probably because they have been told to, a few may be different. What you seem to conveniently miss is the MASSIVE collateral damage that this does to boys who have been at the school for many years, been in the As or Bs (so trained their arses off) just to get bumped at the last most important turn (devastating). Also if you assume the boys who have been at a school for years have parents who are automatically loaded that is often NOT the case, the truth is they work hard to do it.

BTW, my view of a strong Rugby school is it's performance and depth across the ages, not just the1sts, everyone can see through that one.