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Wallaby Watch 2014

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Athilnaur

Arch Winning (36)
If I was more confident Higgers would lock down 8 I'd vote Higgers for Captain. The unity and clarity he has brought to the Rebels has been reflected in cohesive performances from a largely green team. He knows McKenzie well and I believe has the ability to bring a positivity and direction to the team in making McKenzies vision real. He is generally very good with refs, and I admire the way he handled the recent Reds incident. He didn't complain when McMahon was penalised, rather he promptly got to the next play. He clearly spoke up for EOD later.

Just can't see him playing 80, not with Palu so devastating in tight.
 

Joe Blow

Peter Sullivan (51)
The captain doesn't have to play the whole 80 minutes in every test. He definitely has to have the capacity to do so when needed though. But most players in the squad should be able to.
It is important that he has a deputy who is on the same page and that they can transfer the responsibility as seamlessly as possible.
I think a Moore/Hooper partnership would be a good one with Hooper gaining valuable experience at the back end of most tests. It seems as though there is a wider leadership group within most test sides these days and it is not imperative for captain and vice captain to be a forward and a back or visa versa.

But Alt. I like Higgers as our starting 8 and as part of that leadership group. He brings a point of difference to the pack.
 

Scrubber2050

Mark Ella (57)
Alexander
Moore
Skipper
Horwill
Simmons
Fardy
Hooper
Palu
Genia
Foley
Cummins
Beale
Krindrani
AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
Folau
Charles
Sio
Kepu
Jones
Higgers
White
To'omua
Mccabe

Sir,

In the start I think Link will go with the front row from the EOYT
1. Mud (Skipper)
2. Moore
3. Alexander

The questions for me is whether Foley or Beale plays 10 and Genia or White at 9
 

BDA

Jim Lenehan (48)
Have to agree with Qwerty re match payments. I'm already of the view that the match payments are too high. I'd say $5,000.00 plus expenses is fair, and those that don't play get half that. If you don't get chosen to play, you don't get chosen to play. You essentially still get $2,500.00 for training with the team for the week...Is that really that unreasonable? Am I out of touch on this issue?
 

BarneySF

Bob Loudon (25)
So a few thoughts from this round.


- Just loving what we are seeing from Cummins atm. He doesn't get a lot of opportunities playing for the force, but he takes his limited opportunities and always looks like he's going to make an impact. I love the physicality in his game atm. Last night he was trying to run over his opponents at a million miles an hour. so great. Get that man in the green and gold!



Love the fact he NEVER looks like being bundled into touch - even when he's close to the line. Was busting through/over the first tackler pretty much every time.
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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Have to agree with Qwerty re match payments. I'm already of the view that the match payments are too high. I'd say $5,000.00 plus expenses is fair, and those that don't play get half that. If you don't get chosen to play, you don't get chosen to play. You essentially still get $2,500.00 for training with the team for the week.Is that really that unreasonable? Am I out of touch on this issue?

I think 5k per game for the Wallabies or 2.5k if you train but don't play is too little when you consider annual salaries and the revenue the events generate.

I certainly think a system where the players are rewarded via match payments rather than central Wallaby contracts is the way to go.

I understand the need to boost the contracts of our most bankable stars such as Folau however the ARU got themselves into trouble with central Wallaby contracts previously and it results in paying lots of people who are either out of form or injured.
 
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Train Without a Station

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I wouldn't say match payments are too high BDA. This is professional sport. Compare that with Stage of Origin for example, the $10,000 is quite low.

I honestly don't know where I stand on this. Part of me says, if non-playing tour squad members are paid already for time on tour, then hey shouldn't the players getting selected by financially rewarded greater than those that don't?

Playing contracts are often made up to include all potential match payments. Imagine if you're salary included bonuses for being included on certain projects. You'd base your expected income on what you reasonably expected to be a part of and budget accordingly. How would you feel if somebody said, hey, we're going to split this additional income up amongst everybody, including those that weren't deemed good enough to be a part of it and therefore you earned less than you budgeted for, despite performing to your maximum? The professional in me looking at it, I'd be a little upset.

But at the same time, the former player in me looking at it, from a team perspective, in a successful and quality team, the players in the top squad not making the team are often just as important as the players on the field to success. Without them giving their all and pushing their team mates to be at their best to get picked, the team doesn't perform at their best. For players making several hundred thousand a year, perhaps it's a little petty to be quibbling over the fact that the $230,000 in match payments is split between 30 players instead of 23. We are talking less than a $2,500 hit per game.

This adds up to $28,000 per year and will probably work out around $15,400 a year after tax for the players who play all games a year. Is it worth having every player outside the match day squad feeling excluded, unappreciated and completely ruining team harmony for an extra $300 in your pocket each week over the course of the year, when you are likely pocketing close to $3,600 a week after tax? (Based on an income of around $300,000).
 

Scrubber2050

Mark Ella (57)
Have to agree with Qwerty re match payments. I'm already of the view that the match payments are too high. I'd say $5,000.00 plus expenses is fair, and those that don't play get half that. If you don't get chosen to play, you don't get chosen to play. You essentially still get $2,500.00 for training with the team for the week.Is that really that unreasonable? Am I out of touch on this issue?

YES to answer your question.

Players rely on ARU match payments to subsidise income - otherwise many of our national team would fuck off to Europe or Japan and we would end up with the leftovers. No-one wants that sort of competition
 

suckerforred

Chilla Wilson (44)
YES to answer your question.

Players rely on ARU match payments to subsidise income - otherwise many of our national team would fuck off to Europe or Japan and we would end up with the leftovers. No-one wants that sort of competition

Although I don't entirely disagree with you I think that the biggest reason the they don't fuck off to Eurpoe or Japan is the Wallaby jersey. As the additional income from the ARU is nice, but it is probably not the only reason they stay. Their Club income needs to be enough to support them and their families as Wallaby selection is not always gauranteed. Those payments are cream.

Asked a couple of players a few weeks ago about what they thought about selecting 'off-shore Wallabies'. Their reply quite adamently, publicly & privately, was it shouldn't happen and won't happen because ARU will never be able to compete with offers from overseas on a cash basis so the principle needs to remain to have an incentive for players to stay in Australia.

My veiw is that Wallaby payments should be based entirely on representation, i.e. get selected in the squad you get $x, get in the match day team you get $y in addition, you have a bloody good year & win the Super rugby player of the year, JEM, IRB player of the year then you get a bonus.

Now back to Wallaby Watch 2014........

With Longbottom heading OS it appears that our THP stocks are even thinner on the ground. What are our serious options? We have some props that can play both sides of the scrum but shouldn't we be concentrating on getting specialists?
 

oztimmay

Tony Shaw (54)
Staff member
With Longbottom heading OS it appears that our THP stocks are even thinner on the ground. What are our serious options? We have some props that can play both sides of the scrum but shouldn't we be concentrating on getting specialists?

I'd have another look at Laurie Weeks. Forget my obvious Rebel bias, he is having a great year in the pack.
 

Highlander35

Steve Williams (59)
With Longbottom heading OS it appears that our THP stocks are even thinner on the ground. What are our serious options? We have some props that can play both sides of the scrum but shouldn't we be concentrating on getting specialists?


I will continue and continue to stand by Laurie Weeks. I wasn't sure about him at the beginning of the season, thought he may find himself on the way out, but he's proved me wrong in a big way. The new scrum rules have meant that his technical ability, rather than short stature has shone through at scrum time, and his work rate around the field is the best I've seen from him too, although he's still a far cry from Alexander and Slipper.

He's had a couple on injury niggles (2 concussions and a tweaked shoulder) but he's been damn fine this season.
 

Highlander35

Steve Williams (59)
I agree with you Oz. He was having a great year last year until he got injured. (That was last year wasn't it?)


Good year 2011 alongside Greg Somerville.
Massive Shoulder injury 2012 killed him for the year after a good start.
Full 2013 season, looked a bit down, Paulie looked liked replacing him more than once
Great 2014 season, interrupted a couple of times (missed 2 through concussion, the last one through a shoulder niggle).
 

oztimmay

Tony Shaw (54)
Staff member
I think both Weeks and PAE are fairly equal in Scrum and line outs. I think Laurie's work rate around the paddock is a little better including the intensity at the breakdown. Someone on says that a Prop is like a fine bottle of win and I think it's the case with Laurie.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
What's more concerning is your complete misunderstanding of the term "hearsay", and how you're using it to smear a player's character.....

No what I read was 'rubbish hearsay'.

It isn't smearing it is just a statement of what occurred. Hard to smear someone with a fact.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
No what I read was 'rubbish hearsay'.

It isn't smearing it is just a statement of what occurred. Hard to smear someone with a fact.

A fact? Can you provide evidence of such fact? Otherwise.........

hear·say

noun
1.
unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge: I pay no attention to hearsay.
2.
an item of idle or unverified information or gossip; rumor: a malicious hearsay.
 

Scrubber2050

Mark Ella (57)
A fact? Can you provide evidence of such fact? Otherwise...

hear·say

noun
1.
unverified, unofficial information gained or acquired from another and not part of one's direct knowledge: I pay no attention to hearsay.
2.
an item of idle or unverified information or gossip; rumor: a malicious hearsay.

"GOSS" unfounded, unsubstaniated, alledged facts more aptly described as BULLSHIT
 
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