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Don't know why the Tahs would want Mitchell at fullback. They prefer kicking fullbacks, not runners. And Drew's kicking game is a little inconsistent.
If Mitchell wants more ball and the ability to run more clearly QLD is where he should be. But do we want him? Aiden Toua probably will be ready to start next year. Or rodney Davies and we still have Mark Mac.
If Mitchell wants more ball and the ability to run more clearly QLD is where he should be. But do we want him? Aiden Toua probably will be ready to start next year. Or rodney Davies and we still have Mark Mac.
Noddy said:
A full back has to be able to kick well
I think Mitchell will continue around the S14 teams until he can play 15 somewhere. His problem is that he ain't that a good fullback.
He is like Rogers who thought he was a 10, but clearly wasn't unless you were desperate.
Ash
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Yeah, don't think Queensland will chase Mitchell too hard. Interesting that when Mitchell left Queensland he crowed on about his disappointment at never being able to join the 100 cap club at the Reds with the player he looked up to. Guess he may not do that at any club if he leaves the Force. Noddy - I was watching Toua at the 7s and he wasn't as small as I thought, but I found him disappointing. I think I rated him higher than he perhaps deserved.
SNK is a sad loss to the Tahs and Aus rugby. He seemed to fit the Tahs backline very well at fullback (even though I bet he was never going to come near the Wallabies again :fishing). I bet Scarfman is in apoplexy after hearing of this news.
Who the hell is going to do the tactical kicking at the Tahs now? Beale or Turner or whomever needs to step up. Whilst I'm on this topic, why the hell has Beale been kicking for touch ahead of SNK?
Agree that Mitchell isn't perhaps what the Tahs need. They would need to adjust their backline to find a good tactical kicker. Plus the Tahs will need that second playmaker unless Horne magically steps into that role. I suspect that Turner is the first player they'd try to shoe horn into fullback if Mitchell doesn't go to the Tahs (which is probably pretty likely). I just don't rate Turner much as a fullback and like Mitchell, I think he is better suited to wing. Maybe because nearly every time I've seen Turner play fullback he's either had a mare or looked average.
SNK is a sad loss to the Tahs and Aus rugby. He seemed to fit the Tahs backline very well at fullback (even though I bet he was never going to come near the Wallabies again :fishing). I bet Scarfman is in apoplexy after hearing of this news.
Who the hell is going to do the tactical kicking at the Tahs now? Beale or Turner or whomever needs to step up. Whilst I'm on this topic, why the hell has Beale been kicking for touch ahead of SNK?
Agree that Mitchell isn't perhaps what the Tahs need. They would need to adjust their backline to find a good tactical kicker. Plus the Tahs will need that second playmaker unless Horne magically steps into that role. I suspect that Turner is the first player they'd try to shoe horn into fullback if Mitchell doesn't go to the Tahs (which is probably pretty likely). I just don't rate Turner much as a fullback and like Mitchell, I think he is better suited to wing. Maybe because nearly every time I've seen Turner play fullback he's either had a mare or looked average.
I think it's a shame to see SNK go, although I understand his reasoning if he truly believes he is never going to be a chance for the Wallabies again - he IS a professional footballer after all, so make the most of it, mate.
Having said that, I am surprised someone with his skills has not been able to get into contention for the Wallabies - very good kicker, good broken play runner and seems to have lots of time and a good long pass. Strange something more couldn't have been made of that.
15 this year will be interesting for the Wobbs - just hope AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is not it.
Having said that, I am surprised someone with his skills has not been able to get into contention for the Wallabies - very good kicker, good broken play runner and seems to have lots of time and a good long pass. Strange something more couldn't have been made of that.
15 this year will be interesting for the Wobbs - just hope AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is not it.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
I'm sad to see SNK go from a Tahs point of view. We can probably cover him with Turner or an import - and if Turner is not ready to play fullback next year at the S14 level I will be very disappointed.
We'll miss his kicking and support play. SNK, Barnes and Gerrard are the best kickers from hand in the country and under the ELVs their role is going to get more and more important - and more so with fullbacks.
Sam has played well this year and a lot better than in 2008 when he started late due to a quad strain. I can understand his wish to back himself as a flyhalf but the Cardiff no.10, Nicky Robinson, is a pretty fair player. He won't even get to play fullback for the Blues because Ben Blair is playing cracking rugby.
I've seen SNK play flyhalf in club matches, for the Rays, the Tahs, Oz A and the Wallabies. He played well for the Rays at that level but his problem at 10 has been his reluctance to run with the pill, probably because he knows that he's not very good at it. He always seems to find his tackler in traffic areas whereas in open spaces his worth is obvious.
Since SNK is 3rd string flyhalf and 2nd string Halangahu's contract ends this year (IIRR, and if I were he I would be looking north also), there could be more thought given to getting another flyhalf for next year too.
If we don't get Mitchell it leaves a spot open for an outside back. Big Rat could be the one but he's a high maintenance project. I like Ed Jenkins from the Junior Waratahs and currently on Sevens duty. The Sydney Uni winger has got what it takes for the Super 14 I reckon.
We'll miss his kicking and support play. SNK, Barnes and Gerrard are the best kickers from hand in the country and under the ELVs their role is going to get more and more important - and more so with fullbacks.
Sam has played well this year and a lot better than in 2008 when he started late due to a quad strain. I can understand his wish to back himself as a flyhalf but the Cardiff no.10, Nicky Robinson, is a pretty fair player. He won't even get to play fullback for the Blues because Ben Blair is playing cracking rugby.
I've seen SNK play flyhalf in club matches, for the Rays, the Tahs, Oz A and the Wallabies. He played well for the Rays at that level but his problem at 10 has been his reluctance to run with the pill, probably because he knows that he's not very good at it. He always seems to find his tackler in traffic areas whereas in open spaces his worth is obvious.
Since SNK is 3rd string flyhalf and 2nd string Halangahu's contract ends this year (IIRR, and if I were he I would be looking north also), there could be more thought given to getting another flyhalf for next year too.
If we don't get Mitchell it leaves a spot open for an outside back. Big Rat could be the one but he's a high maintenance project. I like Ed Jenkins from the Junior Waratahs and currently on Sevens duty. The Sydney Uni winger has got what it takes for the Super 14 I reckon.
Scarfman
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cyclopath said:
Yes, I am very disappointed with this news. It saddens me because I would like to see our style of rugby play head more in the SNK direction. It's hard to believe that it's the Crusaders' and All Blacks' Robbie Deans who picks AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) at fullback and tells SNK he's not in the frame. I don't even begin to get it.
I'm going to miss him simply because I think he is a joy to watch playing. His play - more than any other Aussie - distinguishes our game from rugby league.
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While I have not been a SNK fan I agree he should have been on the EOYT - in hindsight he would have been better than what AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) gave yet it is hard to pick him when his 2 tests have not been that auspicious.
I think if he stayed he could have a future but I am not sure if Dingo has his style of play in mind.
I think Deans is a more ball in hand/running coach and in that frame I think there would be an awful lot of work to change SNK to fit the mould Deans is forming for the Wallabies.
I think if he stayed he could have a future but I am not sure if Dingo has his style of play in mind.
I think Deans is a more ball in hand/running coach and in that frame I think there would be an awful lot of work to change SNK to fit the mould Deans is forming for the Wallabies.
Scarfman said:
I think the main limiting factor with SNK, and perhaps why he isn't in Deans's plans (if he isn't) is his complete and utter inability to break a tackle. Fantastic passer, 2nd flyhalf option, kicking game and solid defence. But he won't threaten on counter attack.
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formeropenside
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Lindommer said:
We haven't if they dont want to stay, which they dont. The Tahs were not exactly cutting him loose, were they? Same as Hewat: its not lack of oppotunities, its lack of reward.
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steiner
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A good decision from SNK's perspective I think. He's called it right. I don't think he would have been troubling the scorers for Wallaby selection. Too much competition around.
I thought the Waratah selectors erred a few years back by not giving him an extended go at the 10 jersey, instead moving him around between 10, 12 and 15, not allowing him to settle in to the role. At worst SNK would have been average at 10, at best he could have been very good. Now we''ll never know, at this level anyway. Instead the Tahs' tried a number of players at 10 who at best were only ever going to be average. Donnelly, Berne, Halangahu, Rogers. Waste of time when they should have left SNK there and given him a proper crack.
SNK's strength as a 10 is in his service game and thus he needs time to settle in the role and develop combinations with his outsides, to use this ability. Can't judge him on one-off performances here and there which is what appeared to happen. It isn't merely coincidental that his best games at 10 in the super12 came when he was at the Brumbies, who had a highly organized backline and could take proper advantage of his sevice game.
Anyway, good luck to him and I hope he gets a proper go at the 10 jersey at his new club!
I thought the Waratah selectors erred a few years back by not giving him an extended go at the 10 jersey, instead moving him around between 10, 12 and 15, not allowing him to settle in to the role. At worst SNK would have been average at 10, at best he could have been very good. Now we''ll never know, at this level anyway. Instead the Tahs' tried a number of players at 10 who at best were only ever going to be average. Donnelly, Berne, Halangahu, Rogers. Waste of time when they should have left SNK there and given him a proper crack.
SNK's strength as a 10 is in his service game and thus he needs time to settle in the role and develop combinations with his outsides, to use this ability. Can't judge him on one-off performances here and there which is what appeared to happen. It isn't merely coincidental that his best games at 10 in the super12 came when he was at the Brumbies, who had a highly organized backline and could take proper advantage of his sevice game.
Anyway, good luck to him and I hope he gets a proper go at the 10 jersey at his new club!
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