The Tahs front row go down like 2 dollar whores and other things - Wayne Smith

[Spook]

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...atch-in-canberra/story-e6frg7mf-1225858112480

There is no such thing as "a double movement" in rugby. That's a rugby league term. Walsh should know that. He also should know that law 15.5(g) states "if a player is tackled near the goal line, that player may immediately reach out and ground the ball on or over the goal line to score a try".

So the only thing in question was the "immediacy" of Ashley-Cooper's actions and, given he was still being propelled forward by the momentum of the tackle when he grounded the ball, that should have been a non-issue.

And then there were Walsh's baffling scrum rulings. Surely he gets the same stats as everyone else that point to the Waratahs as being one of the worst offenders in the competition for collapsing scrums -- even on their own feed -- and yet repeatedly he found fault with the Brumbies front row.
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He also makes a good point - the Reds could suffer from a Walsh get-square. Ban the cvnt!

 

[Spook]

Brett Harris


A controversial no-try decision may have cost the Brumbies a win

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/a-controversial-no-try-decision-may-have-cost-the-brumbies-a-win/story-e6frg7mf-1225858113010

 

[Lee Grant]

Referees know that there is no such thing as a 'double movement' officially in union laws. There's no such term as a 'double movement' in the league rules either. People just assume there is because of the league commentators. Officially it is a 'second movement'.

Union referees, commentators and even fans talk about 'double movement' because it is convenient shorthand speak. Blame Rabbits Warren and other league commentators over the years.

Brumbies fans will be miffed that the ruling went against their players and will point a finger at the officials, but I trust that they will point another finger at their Brumbies officials.

As Brett Harris wrote in his article:

While it is true the Waratahs played dour rugby for the most part, they were alive to any opportunities that presented, including the match-winning try to winger Lachie Turner in the 51st minute.

Realising that Brumbies winger Alfi Mafi was hobbling on one leg, Waratahs inside centre Berrick Barnes kicked for open space on the right side of the field and Turner brilliantly gathered the ball, managed to stay inside the touch line and raced away to plant the ball between the posts.


They had time to pull Mafi off the park before Giteau drop kicked the ball from the 22, but didn't, hoping the knock would come good. They made a poor decision. If people in the crowd like myself and the Brumbies fan behind me could see Mafi was in trouble, the Brumbies' officials should have suspected that the Waratahs players would have noticed it also.

If I were a Brumbies fan I would give then a full finger - at least up to the first knuckle.

 

[Scarfman]

I agree, Lee. I knew what Walsh meant when he said "double movement." We all know the rules, cheers Wayne.

I thought it was a no-try, I wouldn't have awarded it in real time or on replay, but wouldn't have been worried if it had. Close to a 50/50 call.

 

[Pfitzy]

What Wayne fails to understand (due to rampant idiocy) is that the Tahs' scrum, being one of the better ones, also packs lower than most and therefore collapses are inevitable when less-skilled packs try to get down to that height.

 

[Sully]

Bull crap! Baxters forehead is a grass magnet!

 

[Pfitzy]

Yep. Go get a spirit level and check whose shoulders are too low on engage. It ain't Baxter.

 

[Spook]

Lee, Double Movement is a league concept that has no place in union and is the term used by Walsh. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_league/rules_and_equipment/4216382.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rugby_league_terms

Sorry Lee and Scarfy, at no point (from memory) does AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) knees hit the ground. Since when is leg drive illegal?

SPIRO adds his 2 cents.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2010/04/26/reds-can-win-the-super-14-title-the-waratahs-cant/

Ironically, the one try they did score by Adam Ashley-Cooper, who did a superb job in protecting the ball as he spun over and over, without his knees touching the ground, was denied by a touch-judge who ruled on something he did not see and a referee who should have asked the video referee to adjudicate.

There was some conjecture in the press box whether referee Steve Walsh could have sent the incident up to the video referee for adjudication on whether Cooper had correctly grounded the ball. This involved a ‘double-movement’ issue which the video referee would have ruled out and allowed a try.

The Holies "non-tackle" would have been a try as well IMO. 3-4 people in support. Only fullback to beat.

 

[Spook]

Yep. Go get a spirit level and check whose shoulders are too low on engage. It ain't Baxter.

Who got driven back on the Brumbies feed by 5-10 metres each time?

 

[cyclopath]

Yep. Go get a spirit level and check whose shoulders are too low on engage. It ain't Baxter.

Who got driven back on the Brumbies feed by 5-10 metres each time?

True Spook, but when Kepu went off, Baxter came back and Palmer was on, the shove went the other way (but not by 5-10 metres). Which would tend to point the finger more at Kepu. In any event, Kepu and Freier are some way below Fat Cat and TPN in the scrum department. Didn't help that all the Tahs back row kept pulling out of the drive and standing up to look when they were getting reamed. Numpties.

 

[fatprop]

Yep. Go get a spirit level and check whose shoulders are too low on engage. It ain't Baxter.

Who got driven back on the Brumbies feed by 5-10 metres each time?

It was interesting that stopped when Caldwell got on the field, then it was the Brumbies turn to be on rollerskates on their goal line

 

[Spook]

Yep. Go get a spirit level and check whose shoulders are too low on engage. It ain't Baxter.

Who got driven back on the Brumbies feed by 5-10 metres each time?

It was interesting that stopped when Caldwell got on the field, then it was the Brumbies turn to be on rollerskates on their goal line

Nonsense. You were wheeled once on your line (which Walsh got wrong), had one good scrum and then Baxter was obliterated by Alexander. The Tahs went better when Moore went off and seagull came on.

 

[Spook]

Yep. Go get a spirit level and check whose shoulders are too low on engage. It ain't Baxter.

Who got driven back on the Brumbies feed by 5-10 metres each time?

True Spook, but when Kepu went off, Baxter came back and Palmer was on, the shove went the other way (but not by 5-10 metres). Which would tend to point the finger more at Kepu. In any event, Kepu and Freier are some way below Fat Cat and TPN in the scrum department. Didn't help that all the Tahs back row kept pulling out of the drive and standing up to look when they were getting reamed. Numpties.

Moore was off at that time as well and Alexander and Ma'afu were tiring. The Brumbies had no decent fresh props to bring on. Now we have Palmer. Says a lot for the Tahs.

 

[Pfitzy]

Says a lot for the Tahs' recruitment policy. Fuckers.

 

[Ruggo]

Brumbies should be more concerned about having a deep look at themselves. Nobody is disputing the poor performance of the ref.

 

[Lee Grant]

Lee, Double Movement is a league concept that has no place in union and is the term used by Walsh. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_league/rules_and_equipment/4216382.stm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rugby_league_terms

Nice googling Spook. My source was the ARL Rules Handbook which does not mention "double movement".

Second movement after tackle When an attacking player is tackled
within easy reach of the goal line he
should be penalised if he makes a
second movement to place the ball over
the line for a try.

Your source seems to be a comment on the league rule and not the rule itself.

The Wikipedia thingo mentions that league has a lot of jargon and lists a lot of stuff including "Second year syndrome" which is hardly a meaningful term when talking about rules. Maybe they list "double movement" as an item of jargon.

I was prompted to write what I did because a league ref told me a few years ago that there was no such thing as a double movement in league, officially. Maybe the 2004 ARL Rules Handbook I used is out of date. Maybe not. Maybe "double movement" is jargon.

 

[Scotty]

From a neutral standpoint, at first I thought it was a fair try, but in the replay his knees do appear to touch the ground. 50/50 call.

 

[matty_k]

Can anyone link to a decent replay of AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)'s no try? I haven't found one yet.

 

[naza]

AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)'s knee touched the ground and then he contined to crawl and wiggle along the ground. No try. Penalty Tahs for not releasing.

The new interpretation of the rules is responsible for players crawling on the ground for extra yards.

 

[en_force_er]

The Tah players didn't role away and allow AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) to release the ball anywho.

Surely if it wasn't a try it should be a Brumbies penalty with the new push to get the tackler releasing the defender.