The Residency / Poaching Thing...

[Dismal Pillock]

YOU have been permitted multiple votes in this most pressing of poles.

NZ Rugby bigwig B.Impey reckons players should be able to go play for their birth nation after a stand down period.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby...-on-colonialism-says-nzr-chairman-brent-impey

I reckon this would be dumb and would make a big fucking mess.

I also reckon the current 3 year residency until eligibility rule is dumb. Should be 10 years. Coming over to a new country as little kids in a family is fine but the whole Hadleigh Parkes/Bundee Aki/Lapuschagne/Sevu Reece thing is just taking the piss

 

[MarkJ]

Think the residency rule has been changed to five years?

 

[Tex]

If you've arrived in a country before you turn 19 then it should be open slather, which is kind of redundant given how few early 20s kids get capped these days.

I actually did a count of the Wallabies squad after the usual NH media chips at us and we have a few blokes who've only been in Aus for a few years before getting capped.

From memory Latu, Tupou, Koro, Kerevi and Naisarani were the standouts.

 

[Uh huh]

If you want to keep eligibility for people who emigrate as children, why not just write it into the regulations?

Players who emigrate aged 15 or under aren't subject to a residency rule; 16 - 19 three years' residency and 20 up is, say, six years.

 

[Ignoto]

Has Impey watched this years RWC at all? Sure, the Kiwis smoked the Tongan's but when he says this:

He said the 2019 World Cup had badly highlighted the need for change with the growing gap between tier 1 and 2 nations.

He demonstrates that he hasn't watched a single game. The gaps between the Tier 1 and Tier 2 countries is getting smaller and smaller which is demonstrated in the closer score lines and only a couple of real blow outs.

If Impey was truly all about change, he should go listen to The Rugby Ruckus podcast when they had Geoff Webster on. The change in eligibility was/is down the bottom of what the Fijians are wanting.

For me, I couldn't care less how long the period is, we live in a country full of Immigrants, somewhere down my line is an immigrant. So, who am I to say who should and shouldn't represent their new found country? If you increase the waiting period, the Australian Super Teams won't pick a player as they've got a cap on foreign players. So you're then going to deprive more Islanders from earning significant amounts of money for their family?

 

[Tex]

SA and Northern Hemisphere scribes must misunderstand the level of Pacific diaspora we have in Australia and NZ.

 

[Dan54]

SA and Northern Hemisphere scribes must misunderstand the level of Pacific diaspora we have in Australia and NZ.

Mate and until probably 10 years ago I think that was the case with even Aus media, and now think they realise just how many NZ have had for years.
I really don't know what the answer is, not sure I like the idea of swapping back and forth but understand what and why people like it, personally have no time for grandparent or even parent rule, either where you were born or live for me, and always inclined to where you live even more if it from childhood.

 

[young gun]

If you've arrived in a country before you turn 19 then it should be open slather, which is kind of redundant given how few early 20s kids get capped these days.

I actually did a count of the Wallabies squad after the usual NH media chips at us and we have a few blokes who've only been in Aus for a few years before getting capped.

From memory Latu, Tupou, Koro, Kerevi and Naisarani were the standouts.

Definitely not right about Latu. I've been watching him play here since he was 10. Could have been here before that as well.

Kerevi's been here a long time too. so, just Koro and Naisarani, maybe others.

 

[Getwithme]

I thing I do take issue with is someone like Charles Piutau who left for overseas having already being capped by NZ.
His brother represents Tonga and he has expressed his desire to do so however the eligibility laws permit him from this. I think if you haven't been selected for a tier 1 nation in 3 years you should be eligible for selection for a tier 2 nation. The vice versa should not apply

 

[Jimmy_Crouch]

I thing I do take issue with is someone like Charles Piutau who left for overseas having already being capped by NZ.
His brother represents Tonga and he has expressed his desire to do so however the eligibility laws permit him from this. I think if you haven't been selected for a tier 1 nation in 3 years you should be eligible for selection for a tier 2 nation. The vice versa should not apply

Charles Piutau made two choices. Firstly to play for NZ and secondly to leave NZ to be the highest paid player in the world. I feel no sorrow for him. He knew the repercussions all along. If he did really want to play for Tonga why didn't he take the 7s route like former Wallaby Cooper Vuna? Absolute crocodile tears from that bloke.

 

[Show-n-go]

Can only ever represent one nation

No grandparent rule, no parent rule, who gives a crap where they are from

Citizen of the country, residency for 6 years or have been schooled in the country before yr11/turning 17

 

[Braveheart81]

Charles Piutau made two choices. Firstly to play for NZ and secondly to leave NZ to be the highest paid player in the world. I feel no sorrow for him. He knew the repercussions all along. If he did really want to play for Tonga why didn't he take the 7s route like former Wallaby Cooper Vuna? Absolute crocodile tears from that bloke.

I think the crux of the issue is reconciling between good outcomes for PI heritage players (good professional careers) and the PI countries they come from (wanting to be able to improve their rugby infrastructure and have their best players playing for them internationally).

It's not about feeling bad for Charles Piutau, it's about feeling bad for Tonga. He's not the best example though because you could easily argue he played too many games for the All Blacks that even with a rule change you might not let him switch allegiances.

It's trying to find a way to improve rugby in these impoverished countries that see very little benefit from the large percentage of professional players around the world that were either born there or are ethnically Pacifika people.

 

[Dan54]

Can only ever represent one nation

No grandparent rule, no parent rule, who gives a crap where they are from

Citizen of the country, residency for 6 years or have been schooled in the country before yr11/turning 17

I like that more than I can sat Show, nice and clean cut!!

 

[Braveheart81]

The citizenship rule is a bad one in my opinion because it is inconsistent and open to abuse.

The rules suggested by Show-n-go would be particularly detrimental to the PI nations.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Can only ever represent one nation

No grandparent rule, no parent rule, who gives a crap where they are from

Citizen of the country, residency for 6 years or have been schooled in the country before yr11/turning 17

Pretty much effectively eliminate Tonga and Samoa fro international competition if you did that, and Fiji wouldn't be far behind them as well as any other country that didn't have the capacity for a professional league

 

[Beer Baron]

Shouldn't the eligibility rule aim to bridge the gap between "tiers"

Residency should be overridden by birth/parents. if Koro plays the next 10 years in France would we consider him more Australian than French/Fijian?

 

[Show-n-go]

Pretty much effectively eliminate Tonga and Samoa fro international competition if you did that, and Fiji wouldn't be far behind them as well as any other country that didn't have the capacity for a professional league

Not really, there’s enough Tongan and Samoa Nationals going around, we just need to get processes in place to make representing these countries more attractive.

 

[Finsbury Girl]

I thought this was a thread about the ACT and Melbourne

 

[Braveheart81]

Not really, there’s enough Tongan and Samoa Nationals going around, we just need to get processes in place to make representing these countries more attractive.

Half the Tongan RWC squad weren't born in Tonga.

More than half the Samoan squad weren't born in Samoa.

This is only going to increase over time.

 

[Show-n-go]

Half the Tongan RWC squad weren't born in Tonga.

More than half the Samoan squad weren't born in Samoa.

This is only going to increase over time.

And half the guys who could play for Tonga and Samoa are in Europe not playing for fear of club repercussions....fix that problem, sub them in for the half not born in the country

And not really, islanders come and go from the islands in droves, nearly all my Islander mates have spent large portions of their lives bouncing between there and here. It’s part of their culture and it’s inevitable that some of these people are going to give birth/be born over there