Television Match Official (TMO)

[Sully]

Anyone think the TMO could do more? As an example I would say he could quickly identify players in foul play situations.

Like
Assistant Ref "There was definite rucking to the head but I didn't get a number."
Ref "so a penalty then"
A Ref "would be a yellow if identified"
TMO "it was the seven"
Ref "So penalty and seven in the bin"

I'm sure there are many more examples.

 

[Jets]

I think they need to sort out what they are supposed to do first. How was Genia's try denied on Friday??????

 

[DPK]

I think they need to sort out what they are supposed to do first. How was Genia's try denied on Friday??????

It was probably denied because he didn't get the ball down.

 

[#1 Tah]

I think they need to sort out what they are supposed to do first. How was Genia's try denied on Friday??????

It was probably denied because he didn't get the ball down.

:lmao:

Gold!

 

[Ruggo]

I think they need to sort out what they are supposed to do first. How was Genia's try denied on Friday??????

All the evidence pointed to him not getting the ball down.

Overall they need some serious transparent protocol in what they are asked to do. It is all too inconsistant as it is.

 

[Scarfman]

Ruggo - you nailed it. The Refs can say - try or no try, or did he get the ball down, or anyreason not to award the try, or any reason to award the try, etc. All too vague. Protocol required.

 

[Jets]

I think they need to sort out what they are supposed to do first. How was Genia's try denied on Friday??????

It was probably denied because he didn't get the ball down.

I'll pay that. Well done :

 

[Pfitzy]

The other thing is the Gilbert ball with the dark green and black edges is no good in those situations where you want to see contact. Bring back day time games and white balls!

 

[Sully]

Ruggo - you nailed it. The Refs can say - try or no try, or did he get the ball down, or anyreason not to award the try, or any reason to award the try, etc. All too vague. Protocol required.

I think there is a protocol already.

Question: Try, no try?
What he is really saying: I have no idea can you have a look?
Question: Is there any reason why I cannot award the try?
What he is really saying: I am pretty sure it's a try just check if I have missed something?

 

[Pfitzy]

I think if the ref hands over to the TMO, then the TMO should have full rights to everything. This "ask a question, get an answer" smacks of some idiot pencil neck in the IRB who never played rugby getting on his high horse about protocols.

 

[todd4]

Watched Currie cup match today between Cheetahs and Griquas.

Very interesting use of TMO;

1. Bit of a scuffle off the ball ref calls a holt and asks TMO if one played elbowed another in the face. TMO had a look said it was only handbags nothing to worry about. Play continued.

2. Head high tackle in phase leading up to try. After try awarded ref asked TMO to confirm which player had committed head high tackle. Yellow card issued.
In the past ref would say something like 'if I had a number yellow card would have been issued'.

3. Last pass before try looked forward. Ref asked TMO to advise if pass was forward before awarding try.

I wouldn't mind seeing this sort of TMO involvment during Super rugby games. It only took a minute for TMO to clarify each issue.

 

[barbarian]

Yeah I agree that stuff is good but you don't want it to go too far. You'd still need protocols to govern what refs can and can't ask. I would definitely include 'identifying culprit of foul play' and 'examining off-the-ball incidents as seen by Assistant Refs'.

Still skeptical about forward passes, I would only want the really obvious ones called. Camera angles are never perfect so I'd like to see line-ball ones stand.

 

[DPK]

I wonder if it would be possible to do TMO referrals on the fly, rather than halting play while the TMO reviews something.

 

[TOCC]

This could set a dangerous precedent with the referee having every decision checked by the TMO in the future..i get sick of watching replays of every try before a ref makes a decision..

Less involvement from the TMO the better IMO

 

[Penguin]

Agree Tocc, we don't want it to become like gridiron.

 

[DPK]

Speed up the TMO review process and it would be less of a nuisance.

 

[Dam0]

I think there is a happy medium between too much TMO involvement and too little.

In assessing a try, my preference would be for a TMO to be able to look at anything from the last phase until the try is scored. By this I mean the last ruck or maul prior to the try, but I would not include mere "tackles". This is similar to the protocol they have in league AIUI. As for forward passes I am happy for the TMO to adjudicate, provided they receive clear instructions that they are only to judge the direction of the pass and not its trajectory. I would want the burden of proof set very high that a pass has gone forward out of the hands.

As for foul play I am comfortable for the ref to be able to refer anything he is not sure about to the TMO. However I would only want the TMO to act on his own initiative where a certain threshold has been met. Perhaps something along the lines of it has to have been serious enough to warrant a yellow card before the TMO will give unsolicited advice to the ref. I wouldn't want the game stopped for every minor shoulder charge or marginal high tackle or immaterial obstruction.

 

[TOCC]

Use the TMO to check grounding and sideline boundaries.. Everything else should be disregarded as general play..

If you check a forward pass prior to a try, why not check it for other passes through the game as well? Video replays can give a bad orientation of the pass as well, it would be a difficult process.

I like errors in the game, as soon as the refs perfect one area they will focus on other areas.. The game is already overly officiated, need less referee interference