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Springbokke : Mission Accomplish

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PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
What a way to a grand finale.

First off thanks for the Wallabies for the loss of last weekend. Myself try to write the script but that lost last week did not excist init. I honestly thought we would have won it last weekend. So it was pretty disappointing but like they say in rugby, a week is a long time.

It was the perfect wake up call for the team coming at just the right time. Honestly don’t think there is much difference between the three teams and the hunger or more passionate one will win. Last week it was the Wallabies that outplayed us and put out the marker for what needs to be done to get a win in the best place to achieve it and that’s in NZ.

Add Hamilton and Oom Paarl get even more emotional. I’d never forget that disappointed from 1981 Waikato match that was cancelled.. That one triglle my interest in Waikato and NZ rugby and the reason I will always support the Mooloo men or the Lee name of Tribe.

The first thing when I watch this Bok team do their lap of honour in Waikato Stadium was that hollow feeling I had in 1981. It turn the bitter into the sweetest of sweet and emotional feeling you get as a rugby supporter.

As far as the test go I think its unfair to name specific players because I could see every single one was there to do his job. So spare me maybe four players. First off I feel John Smit deserve every single accolade he can get. He is the leader of the pack and the one to deserve his spot in the team. Well he was so motivated not even a Schalk Burger head clash could stop the man. The two that will be leaving also arise to the situation. Frans Steyn deliver a monster kick and repeat it two times just to make sure it wasn’t luck. I watch him when he plays on Newlands and specially his kicking practises before matches and slot them from far. So myself not surprise by his efforts. Jean sure the intercept king in rugby and his try was the final blow. Then Schalk, myself know he and Brussouw will be hard to beat playing in tandem. He is rusted but he is a player that always gave his all. His tackling is just unbelievable to watch and everytime Nunu wants to cut inside he got slammed by Schalk.

Ok so it was closer then I thought in the end but a 1 point win is a win and that’s the one that matters.

Mission accomplish and a cupboard full of silverware, cant ask for more.

Those critizing Snor or the way the Bokke plays, look at the scoreboard! :yay
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
Staff member
They talk about a champion team having x (is it 10?) best in class players. How many has this Bok side got?

Smit - as captain and hooker (in wrong position)
Matfield - lineout genius
Bakkies - niggle genius
Brussow - on the cusp, ate the Lions at least
Spies - I'm not 100% convinced but how many better 8s are out there right now?
Smith/Burger - maybe not run on but best backrow replacements out there

Du Preez - class
M. Steyn - best 10 man 10 in the game
De Villiers - best 12
Habana - best winger

F Steyn has a freak boot, but that's it.

I'm counting about 10, and some pretty handy guys outside of that (Fourie, etc). Any other side come close?
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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Interesting when you look at it that way.
For Aus:-
Moore - is up there, but perhaps a bit off form lately
Robinson - certainly up there on current form
Smith - yup
Elsom - well, maybe but not enough recent runs on the board and slightly crocked
Giteau - but only really at 12, so again not enough time there lately to really contend
......

About says it all.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Gagger said:
They talk about a champion team having x (is it 10?) best in class players. How many has this Bok side got?

Smit - as captain and hooker (in wrong position)
Matfield - lineout genius
Bakkies - niggle genius
Brussow - on the cusp, ate the Lions at least
Spies - I'm not 100% convinced but how many better 8s are out there right now?
Smith/Burger - maybe not run on but best backrow replacements out there

Du Preez - class
M. Steyn - best 10 man 10 in the game
De Villiers - best 12
Habana - best winger

F Steyn has a freak boot, but that's it.

I'm counting about 10, and some pretty handy guys outside of that (Fourie, etc). Any other side come close?
Will be stupid to not pick Bismarck du Plessis hands down. He is a monster. The Beast maybe , maybe not but the all up there close I think. Always difficult for myself to pick this kind of sides, way to biased and will leave it for the punters.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
A combined 3N team?

1. Robinson
2. Du Plessis
3. ????? Maybe Smit picked as captain
4. Matfield
5. Botha (shading Thorn)
6. Elsom (shading Smith)
7. McCaw (shading Brussow)
8. Spies
9. Du Preez
10. Carter
11. Habana
12. Giteau
13. Ashley-Cooper (or De Villiers out of position)
14. Sivivatu
15. Muliaina

7 Boks, 4 All Blacks, 4 Wallabies

And you could argue that the inclusion of Juan Smith, Brussow and De Villiers wouldn't set you back at all.
 

Scarfman

Knitter of the Scarf
That's a good team but I have to disagree about 7. I think - overall - that Smith shades Brussow ahead of McCaw.

And as much as I rate Gits at 12, I think you have to give the centres gig to the Saffers.
 

mark_s

Chilla Wilson (44)
Congrats to the boks, its been a terrific year and I am glad you won the 3N as it wouldn't have felt right is the blacks had of stole it in the last 2 games. I think this is the first time in the modern era that there has been a clear gap between the boks and all blacks.

The challenge for the boks (as it has been in the past) will be to back this up with a domimate year again next year. Thats were the All Blacks have been particular good, they never get thumped and always bounce back.

Paarl, I am still far from convinced about PdV but he deserves to celebrate now given this years results. I will say that if the Boks back up again to win the 3N next year, I will start believing that PdV isn't as crazy as what he appears.

Re the combined 3N team, Carter has only played 2 3N games so far, so I would have Steyn there. I would also be tempted to put the other Styen at 15 ahead of Mils as frankly I don't think Mils has done anything noteworthy this year. Even though I have doubts about his scrummaging, Smit would be my tight head for his captaincy and for managing to hold the boks together through a tough year and schedule.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
That's a good team but I have to disagree about 7. I think - overall - that Smith shades Brussow ahead of McCaw.

Fair enough, but you could throw a blanket over all three, it wouldn't matter who you chose.

mark,

There is no way in the world that F. Steyn would make a combined 3N. Too many mistakes. At least you know Mils is going to be solid with the odd spark of brilliance.

And if you want to play a 10 man kicking game, by all means pick M Steyn, but if you want to play both then you need Carter. Put it this way, if Carter was in the Bok team, do you think they would have won games by more or less than Morne being there?
 

mark_s

Chilla Wilson (44)
Not saying that Steyn is a better player than Carter, only pointing out that Carter missed half the 3N and hasn't been back to his best yet in the 2 games he has played.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Ja Mark Skotman remember only the last Bok vs Wallaby test and forget about the rest. Qouted I dont like getting involve in this team pick ones but will give my opinion all round.
15 No way Mils can get this spot. I think he still suffer from the Bulls horn sickness he got from the S14 final. He struggle and cant even field the high ones. I'll also give it to Frans Steyn. Snor gave a few tests to Pienaar to try and groom him for the position but Frans has grown in every test when he play there and finished on a mighty high. OConnor my second pick.
10: Morne Steyn my pick. Many want to tag him with 10 man rugby but go have a look at the way the Bulls played in the S14 final or the Perth test. He sure can play a different gameplan but he do his kicking (place, drop hand) so well so its natural they stick. Myself would have pick Giteau in front of Carter for this tournament.
Our6 your 7: Brussouw. He was the best and 2 out of the 3 tests against both McAwe and Smith.
our7 your 6. Juan is solid but I'll give this one to Elsom. My bones tell me he is the one that will play a leading role this coming weekend IF your lot will beat the All Blacks. With the rules as it is I want both 6 & 7 or two losies to play TO the ball. Juan tend to play backwards with the backline. Schalk had a huge one last weekend and actually could not believe my luck when I saw he will start before the test. His tackling and energy is vital when you play a team like the All Blacks.

Myself think Springbok players that did not had a great 3 Nations, JP Pietersen the only one.

Regarding Snor (Doc warned me about backing him) it dont help moving the goal posts. He'll do that already for the EYT and next year, make no mistake, I have achieve more then I would have thought or many Saffers thought if they are honest. Lets state it like this, if Jake White still was the coach, would he be satisfied with this Bok teams performance as is? Pretty sure the Kiwis and Aussies would be if their teams had perform like the Bokke did this year. Those critizing Snor for his press release and judge him as a coach on that obvious only show they dont know much about either coaching or playing rugby. Its what happen between the line and the results that counts for me. Simple as that.

Hey but I am from Paarl and we are a bit different so you lot have to excuse us, we are so rugby mad we draw 30,000 to a schoolboy match and our Bergies play touchies with empty plastic vinegar bottles.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
I thought Giteau was very average at 10, particularly when he had to do it alone when Barnes was injured.

He was a big part of why we couldn't get over the line against the ABs in either game.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
I have no doubt Carter is the best 10 and probably the best player on the planet but he did not played well on the weekend. Steyn outplayed him in my books. At least Steyn did not gave the pill to Nunu and showed him where to score a try.
 
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The bastards won because they did the simple things right most of the time. They also took the right option most of the time and they have a kicker who could land one from here to the Moon.
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
TPN is a better hooker than the German Chancellor - both at doing a hooker's job and around the park. Maybe his throwing doesn't look as good, but when your target is Matfield its dead easy.
 

disco

Chilla Wilson (44)
World class the Boks have plenty, worlds best I can't go past Fourie Du Preez this bloke is far & away the best player in world rugby ATM.

My choice of boks that I think are the best players in the world for thier position.

2. Bismark Du Plessis
5. Victor Matfield
8. Pierre Spies
9.Fourie Du preez
11. Bryan Habana

That's 5 players who I think are best going around in those numbers for world Rugby.

My Tri-Nations 15

1. Benn Robinson
2. Bismarck Du Plessis
3. ?????????
4. Bakkies Botha
5.Victor Matfield
6.Rocky Elsom
7.Heinrich Brussow
8.Pierre Spies
9.Fourie Du Preez
10. Morne Steyn
11. Bryan Habana
12. Ma Nonu
13.Jacques Fourie
14. Sitiveni Sivivatu
15.AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) (No Fullback has really stood out but he has played 15 once & deserves a spot in this 15 on form)
 

disco

Chilla Wilson (44)
Only Benn Robinson would make a 3N XV. Please cut the crap.

AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) can cover 15 & no other fullback has really stood out & he has been one of the best players this series.

Juan Smith & Kaino have been pretty solid but haven't had the same impact as Rocky.

So no crap to cut really.

Do you want me to put Stephen Moore at 3? "Palu maybe".
 

naza

Alan Cameron (40)
disco said:
Only Benn Robinson would make a 3N XV. Please cut the crap.

AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) can cover 15 & no other fullback has really stood out & he has been one of the best players this series.

Juan Smith & Kaino have been pretty solid but haven't had the same impact as Rocky.

So no crap to cut really.

Oh dear.

AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) hasn't been playing fullback. I love how selection XVs always see an openside at 6 'just because'.

Smith and Kaino have been heads and shoulders above Elsom. What next - Turner over Habana ? :lmao:
 

disco

Chilla Wilson (44)
I love how selection XVs always see an openside at 6 'just because'.

Smith and Kaino have been heads and shoulders above Elsom.

Sorry Naza you've lost me, Rocky, Smith & Kaino are blindside flankers. Most countries actually have the openside as # 7 except South Africa & France.

Oh dear.

AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) hasn't been playing fullback.

If you read my original post I have said that AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) did only play fullback ONCE & that was in Auckland, no other fullback has stood out & AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is there on form regardless of what position he has played.
 
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