RWC: AUS v ENG (Twickenham): POOL A; 6am (AEDT) Sunday 4 October

[Rugbynutter39]

Fat fingers last night too

Charger you have too much time on your hands.....I will no doubt misspell or mistype stacks of names - what ever the reason I don't really spend time thinking too much e.g. I refer to TK as fucked if I really ever bother to worry whether I can spell a name that is difficult to remember exactly how spelt as got better things to worry about then trying to remember exactly how every polynesian name is spelt......

Each to their own - obviously a big thing for you....so apologies for my lack of attention to such matters

 

[Braveheart81]

I can't recall a single post that has suggested this.

But if you think we are looking overly threatening in attack at the moment than you and I are watching different games (last nights game against the number 19 ranked side in the world excluded.)

It was in response to dru's post where he mentioned 10 man rugby in response to your previous post. I should have quoted him.

I don't think our attack looked fluent against Fiji but a backline not looking particularly threatening doesn't equate to 10 man rugby.

I think we need to beat England across the park and the game will largely be won in the forwards. I think that is where our biggest advantage lies.

 

[KOB1987]

Wales did the Wallabies a massive disservice by beating England.

A desperate England, home ground advantage - I can't see the Wallabies winning this.

Bonus points will really matter because I also think the Wallabies will beat Wales.

I don't agree with this. They have just had their chariots shoved up their asses and are now under a hell of a lot of pressure. They would have always viewed us as the must win game to top the pool, just now it's a must win game to stay alive.

On top of that they are bruised and battered whereas we are almost completely fresh. And to add insult to injury Lancaster now needs to decide whether to keep Burgess or to look like his panicking and drop him.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Charger you have too much time on your hands...I will no doubt misspell or mistype stacks of names - what ever the reason I don't really spend time thinking too much e.g. I refer to TK as fucked if I really ever bother to worry whether I can spell a name that is difficult to remember exactly how spelt as got better things to worry about then trying to remember exactly how every polynesian name is spelt..

Each to their own - obviously a big thing for you..so apologies for my lack of attention to such matters

Besides I even less likely to remember spReights name as not exactly been as standout or a big fan as others been

 

[pissedoffihavetoregister]

Anybody know how bad the england injuries are, vunipola, youngs and lawes all limped off. Youngs and Vunipola were their best players when they left.

 

[TSR]

It was in response to dru's post where he mentioned 10 man rugby in response to your previous post. I should have quoted him.

I don't think our attack looked fluent against Fiji but a backline not looking particularly threatening doesn't equate to 10 man rugby.

I think we need to beat England across the park and the game will largely be won in the forwards. I think that is where our biggest advantage lies.

Sorry - my mistake. Missed that.

 

[pissedoffihavetoregister]

yep - all 3 are maybe's:
https://www.rugbyworldcup.com/news/101521

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Anybody know how bad the england injuries are, vunipola, youngs and lawes all limped off. Youngs and Vunipola were their best players when they left.

No but update on Wales injuries would be interesting given Amos, and Li and Scot Williams all seem to sustain potentially serious injuries

 

[ChargerWA]

Charger you have too much time on your hands...I will no doubt misspell or mistype stacks of names - what ever the reason I don't really spend time thinking too much e.g. I refer to TK as fucked if I really ever bother to worry whether I can spell a name that is difficult to remember exactly how spelt as got better things to worry about then trying to remember exactly how every polynesian name is spelt..

Each to their own - obviously a big thing for you..so apologies for my lack of attention to such matters

Fair enough, I just consider it respectful to use the correct names of the people we talk about. Especially if they are on our team. I regularly have to google someone's name when I want to make a comment about unfamiliar players.

 

[Micheal]

I want to see McMahon rewarded for his form with a spot on the bench.

For me, hopefully this will see us ending the game with a back five of:

4. Simmons
5. Mumm
6. McMahon
7. Hooper
8. Pocock

Two very solid line out options in Mumm/Simmons, and three 'half-options' in the back row. McMahon did a lot of line out work for the Rebels this year, as did Pocock with the Brumbies and Hooper has been developing that part of his game with at least 2 line out takes in the first ~25 minutes against Uruguay alone.

Then, of course, people will say the pack is too small. But what is size helpful for?

Getting over the advantage line? Dominance in collisions?

Does Scott Fardy at 6 or Kane Douglas at 5 offer more than Sean McMahon in either of the two areas above? Do either offer a better work rate?

Wasn't the Pocock / Hooper back row too small to compete?

In Pocock at 8 we have a strong ball carrier, dominant defender, the best pilferer in the world, high work rate and sometimes line out option

In Hooper at 7 we have a strong ball carrier, dominant defender, decent pilferer, energiser-bunny like work rate and developing line out option.

In McMahon at 6 we have a strong ball carrier, dominant defender, energiser-bunny like work rate and sometimes line out option.

I don't see a downside to it, and I won't until it is tried and fails. Size is not the be all and end all in this game, its what you do with the size that you've got.

Historically, Australia's played running rugby, and Cheika has embraced that. We don't have the biggest pack in the world, nor is a bullying pack our natural strength. We do, however, have an abundance of rabid dogs that will play like their families lives depend on it. It is time to unleash them and let them hunt.

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If it works, then we put Liam Gill in at 5 next week. If that is a success, well, Jordy Reid showed some promising form this year.

#OutFlankThemRWC2015

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Fair enough, I just consider it respectful to use the correct names of the people we talk about. Especially if they are on our team. I regularly have to google someone's name when I want to make a comment about unfamiliar players.

Fair enough Charger - I am not known as far as DISC profiles etc as detail person but more big picture type for what its worth so part of my character flaw- .....appreciate your viewpoint....but if honest will I change..nah as I am probably just too lazy to bother.......which is why I take easy options of initials for names that are little more tricky to spell....yes my bad..I robably will take easier option for others to correct me then do research but hey I will at least now spell Speight's name correctly now you have brought it to my attention and drilled into my brain but will continue to probably refer to TK as TK as no matter how many times read his name don't ever remember how to spell it -

What's the bet you now pester me every time I refer to TK by spelling out his name so it also gets instilled in my brain....I reckon good chance...

 

[The Snout]

I haven't followed the English closely enough to know what their mental state as a team is under pressure.

Judging by the last 5 mins in the game against Wales, pretty shithouse.

 

[dru]

It was in response to dru's post where he mentioned 10 man rugby in response to your previous post. I should have quoted him.

I don't think our attack looked fluent against Fiji but a backline not looking particularly threatening doesn't equate to 10 man rugby.

I think we need to beat England across the park and the game will largely be won in the forwards. I think that is where our biggest advantage lies.

If you were quoting me then do it properly. I don't think Quade is a pre-requisit to avoid the 10 man game. I do think that if we fail to activate the outside backs we play to England's strengths. My viewing of both the Fiji game and the Eng-Wales game was neither effectively got the outside involved (other than the FBs going looking for work). Doubt England will change. Aus should.

Being pinned in our quarter is likely if our kicking doesn't improve, if our line outs end up as they did against Fiji. Don't call it 10 man if you will, but we don't want to be on the downside of it.

 

[KOB1987]

If Wood gets suspended apparently they may have to play Burgess at 6.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/u...rss&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

 

[boyo]

Who's the ref'?

Is it Poite?

 

[BDA]

Sounds like there's a few English players that are touch and go for this match (Joseph, Vunipola, Lawes, Young, Morgan). Lancaster will be keen to role the dice and select his best players for this clash. Could see England come undone. Players carrying injuries are usually found out in these types of high intensity games.

 

[papabear]

I agree with franklind, re wales doing us a massive disservice.

As awesome and funny as it would be to see england knocked out of their own world cup before the quarters would be, one would think they would have the requisite fire in the belly from the now dire situation and ref helping to get them across the line.

Hopefully they fall in a massive heap and we win.

Should we win, I think it would be massive for australias confidence to kick on and do some real damage from effectively knocking the host side out of the world cup to potentially go on and win the thing.

 

[The Snout]

It will be the darkest day in English Rugby that awaits this Sunday morning.

2003 and 2007 will be repaid with interest.

There's a lot of talk about who is under most pressure, will the England pressure be a positive for them or a negative, it's really hard to say until the day.

Will Australia be up for it like the desperate English. I agree that if they aren't up for a World Cup match regardless of the context then we don't deserve to be there.

It will be interesting if Australia lead and it becomes greater than 7 points if the English completely shit the bed. I just don't see this England side as a methodical work their way out of a hole type of bunch.

If Australia are behind they can take confidence that England didn't go well when they saw a team in their mirrors viola Wales style. And Australia has finished fast most this season.

Not saying games are rigged by I agree with some observations here that England will get the rub of the green being hosts. I think the ref will want to give them every chance to win. Not saying he will just ref one side only, but the 50/50 calls will go with the hosts.

 

[Tex]

I fail to see how heaping MORE pressure on an already-edgy group will help them perform? I mean, I get the logic, but something tells me that if they weren't able to close out against a decimated Wales, then the hyper-pressure they're now under isn't likely to support greater clarity and focus.

Poor bastards. Bombing out of their own showpiece RWC at the hands of two of their most implacable rivals would be sending shivers down their stinking soap dodging spines. Not that I feel any sympathy for them.

Ideally we'll beat them by one point with a dropped goal in the 83rd minute, but any win will do.

 

[fatprop]

Serious question (ie - not trying to be deliberately antagonistic), do you actually think that will get the job done in the big games.

For mine, this is Chieka's dilemma - the backline seems completely lacking in spark at the moment and his options to fix this are very limited, and have their own flaws. But I don't think we can beat the ABs, and possibly not England or Ireland (or Wales - depending on how bad their injury fall out is) unless we can find some potency.

Kuridrani finding last years form would be a great start.

I don't agree with the line of thinking that we should ignore the importance of goal kicking - which means the only way Quade gets a start is if Giteau is considered to be likely to get at least 75% kicker.
Phipps will speed up the game, but if he has a shocker with his accuracy we'll be worse, not better.
I think bringing Mitchell in may be a good option - but the trade off there is the loss of Horne's outstanding defence.

I just don't think we can win without significant improvement to our attack. I'm not confident we can play in the manner you are suggesting at an intensity to put pressure on the best sides. That means Cheika has to roll the dice somewhere. If we crash and burn as a result, I'd prefer that than we don't fire a shot.

I agree, the backline has been dysfunctional too often in attack.

do you actually think that will get the job done in the big games

sometimes, but I don't think we have the side to win the tournament ie play consistently enough to win the next 5 important games in a row no matter who we chuck in