Reds positivity thread

[TOCC]

A lot of positives with talent shining through the NRC system.

With James Slipper expected to miss a few games in 2016, Paraka and Hirsimaki are auditioning for the starting LHP position. Paraka needs to work on his fitness but he scrummed well against Perth, and Hirsimaki was in a very dominant Country scrum.



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[tigerland12]

Liam

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[Pfitzy]

Last one out, turn the lights off.

 

[dillyboy]

Not sure what we have to be positive about at the moment???

I suppose at least we're not named after a flower.....

 

[Beer Baron]

..Opposing teams won't be aiming up as high as they have in past seasons??

 

[matty_k]

You haven't had a fan forum yet.

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[TOCC]

..Opposing teams won't be aiming up as high as they have in past seasons??

I don't dwell in negativity, what's done is done and if he is going to be the coach in 2015 then i will look for positives in what is there. I see positive's in the playing roster, will it win the competition? perhaps not, but it will be exciting to see some of these young players given the opportunity to prove their talents and improve throughout the season.

Some of us on here see some positives out of the younger player who are coming through in the NRC program, players like Samu Kerevi who 12months ago was an unknown and is now on the cusp of Wallaby selection. I think there are a few young stars, and a few older players in this years NRC who are doing well to press their case for Reds selection in 2016.

 

[neilc]

TOCC, I agree that there are some good young players coming through, and I think the NRC will be good for them - looking forward to Greene and McIntyre developing their games against high level opposition, it can only benefit them long term. Forward packs of both Qld NRC teams have looked good in their initial matches which is a positive sign as we all know we need strong forwards to create a platform. These are the positives that I am looking forward to seeing the results of next season.

 

[TOCC]

Curtis Browning back running, should be good for a full pre-season.





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[dru]

TOCC, crossing from another thread but had another look at Greene. You mentioned (I think) that he needed work on his distribution. If so he's been working hard. Thought his touches and passing were really thorough - for NRC level.

I don't think he's a playmaker ala Quade but a distributor who holds flat, takes on the line, and gets the passes out even they are received from fast ball with little accuracy. Which happens when a 9 is fast.

Possible To'omua or Foley style player in the making. Thought the guy had presence live at the game.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

The Ballymore Kid is a great initiative.

The NRC is about unearthing and developing talent, but formally recognising that and promoting it with a good parochial name is clever marketing.

 

[Train Without a Station]

I don't think he's a playmaker ala Quade but a distributor who holds flat, takes on the line, and gets the passes out even they are received from fast ball with little accuracy. Which happens when a 9 is fast.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what Quade always was? But you know, people said he was too error prone, etc. and needed to play a safer game more like Berrick Barnes. Now people complain he sits in the pocket too much.

 

[RedsHappy]

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what Quade always was? But you know, people said he was too error prone, etc. and needed to play a safer game more like Berrick Barnes. Now people complain he sits in the pocket too much.

Good point TWAS.

Re Greene. My compatriots here from 2012 on will recall that I have been singing this guy's praises since that year when he nearly single-handedly won BGS the QLD GPS Rugby Premiership (an uncommon status for BGS, to say the least).

He's got the lot (particularly, and uncharacteristically for Australian 10s, his kicking from hand is very good in both accuracy and distance and will only improve further) and in the referenced NRC game his passing was generally very accurate and well-judged, especially as so much of it was tight to the line. A few mistakes in fast play, but FFS when does that not happen even to the DCs and Foleys.

What he needs now is what he's getting currently in the NRC, but most important in 2016 is the guidance and support of a really good Reds backs coach (and ideally a ditto HC....as teardrops fall as I type). The higher the grade, the more important is excellence in specialist technical guidance and advisory support around the tactical and mental aspects of exemplary 10 play.

He's also not huge in size and in S18 the right S&C program will be very important to him attaining the optimum mixture of strength, muscular size and agility.

 

[Train Without a Station]

How's his physicality thought RH? I remember in his one game he looked a little lacking there. But he only took contact maybe twice in his time on the park so it's not like there was a big trend of being poor in contact or anything. It's just all I have seen so far.

 

[Scoey]

I've seen him put on some very solid hits on defence. Can't speak about with ball in hand though.

 

[RedsHappy]

How's his physicality thought RH? I remember in his one game he looked a little lacking there. But he only took contact maybe twice in his time on the park so it's not like there was a big trend of being poor in contact or anything. It's just all I have seen so far.

I have seen him at Wests and Brothers, and I think he's a 6-7/10 in that department. Better than a pass, though you're right to raise it. Brothers would certainly not call him a shy tackler, but he's got work to do there for sure. What is good is his tackling technique is IIRC overall fine and quite well judged. He can also drive through contact on the run....mostly.

But, as mentioned, he's not a big guy. In the general moulds of Aplon, Le Roux, Halfpenny.

You know the drill TWAS - as a young player with big potential, he'll need good skills and advice around him to get better where he's weakest and just the same to make his multiple strengths more consistent and dominant.

 

[Train Without a Station]

I only mentioned it because the first time he caught the ball for the Reds he coughed the ball up. He only touched the ball once again so couldn't really form a view.

Haven't noticed any issues in the NRC in his 2 games though, so it may have just been a poor pass and good tackle for his first touch for the Reds.

 

[neilc]

TWAS, I think Greene has looked pretty good in the 2 NRC matches I have watched him in - sharp with the ball and not afraid of contact. Seems a pretty solidly built guy. It will be interesting to see him go up against McIntyre this weekend in the Qld Country vs Brisbane City match as both teams appear to have strong forward packs so a good platform should be laid.

 

[TOCC]

I think Greene and McIntyre are both great options for 5/8 in the future, but not for 2016 if they are going to be paired with a relatively inexperienced halfback.

Game management from the halves pairing is going to be critical in 2016, and i don't think Frisby or Greene/McIntyre are quite there yet. Frisby will be the senior halves partner in 2016 and needs to step up and start taking some of the pressure off his 5/8, in the game against the Rising Frisby/McIntyre could have adjusted the game plan to suit the conditions and were fortunate that the Rising played a game plan that was just as bad.

 

[tigerland12]

Greene really has improved his defence in the past season, I think he is above par in that department.

My concern with McIntyre is that his kicking from hand is really poor, and has been for a while. On the other hand, Greene has a wicked boot on him, and has good vision and accuracy.

I'd prefer Greene at this current point, as he can turn teams around better than McIntyre, and has faster distribution, which will benefit the likes of Kerevi, Feauia-Sautia and co.