Rebels 2013

[Slim 293]

Directly after the RWC 07 we had Mortlock (rarely) and Smith, and I would say that was our list of "marquee players."

Still had a couple of fringe Wallabies, but no one I would suggest was a "marquee player".

So, I don't think that was a catalyst for attracting good signatures in the couple of years following.

However, I will concede that Elsom onlay came on board after Giteau returned home and the roster had been built up stronger in those years in between.

 

[Gagger]

One last attempt

Players in bold that were marquee in the sense that they would attract other players.


2010 Contracted players

Ben Alexander​

Adam Ashley-Cooper​

Mitchell Chapman​

Mark Chisholm​

Huia Edmonds​

Rocky Elsom​

Francis Fainifo​

Matt Giteau​

Ben Hand​

Justin Harrison​

Stephen Hoiles​

Peter Kimlin​

Christian Lealiifano​

Salesi Ma'afu​

Alfi Mafi​

Pat McCabe​

Stephen Moore​

Stirling Mortlock​

Pat Phibbs​

Guy Shepherdson​

Andrew Smith​

George Smith​

Tyrone Smith​

Afusipa Taumoepeau​

Sitaleki Timani​

Matt To'omua​

Josh Valentine​

Henry Vanderglas​

Jerry Yanuyanutawa​

From here http://www.brumbies.com.au/Team/BrumbiesHistory/2010Squad.aspx​

 

[Slim 293]

Unless you're somehow suggesting that the marquee players we did get in 2010 had a hand in signing players the 2 years previous, I don't think we're on the same page.

So let's leave it there.

 

[Lee Grant]

I have a feeling that over time, the teams based in the big cities on the eastern seaboard will be best placed to attract the top local talent.

Without trying to be disparaging to Canberra, I don't believe that it would be a home of choice for most young men from the larger cities.

Some good stuff in that post stoff, and I have quoted just a portion of it.

I think that Melbourne's recruitment disadvantage will be diluted over time but that Perth will always be affected by the Nullabor factor.

The Brumbies will always have access to Sydney players and they won't stay in Sydney because of the distance to the ACT if they can get a Super gig there, or because Canberra is not Sydney. (For a time there Randwick was like a feeder team). They're OK.

It's the Force we have to worry about. When they were announced as the 4th Oz Super team I recommended on rugby forums that the requirement to use only Wallabies qualified players should be relaxed for them and to keep that concession in place until the new franchise found it's feet. Instead the ARU, under Flowers, kept a straight bat and we saw the unexpected consequence of the Reds losing a lot of players.

When the Rebels team was started up, and JON was back in the saddle at the ARU, they were allowed dispensation to use a shit load of foreign players; something that should have been afforded to the Force.

Not only that but under the salary cap that was introduced for 2012 those foreigners were to be assessed at about $150K each. Had they been assessed as Australians, on what they were actually paid, the Rebels could not have recruited KB (Kurtley Beale) and JOC (James O'Connor) and got under the cap this year. Nor, most likely, could they have otherwise offered Higginbotham a premium to leave the Reds.

The Force have been allowed an extra foreign player from 2013 onwards, but it is too little, too late. They were dudded, but that is water under the bridge; now they should be treated as a new team. The foreigner concessions that the Reds, Tahs and Brumbies get should be taken away and given to the Force.

And yeah, use the same salary cap assessment for the foreigners as the Rebels are permitted to use.
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[Sir Arthur Higgins]

I broadly agree with you LG.
An alternative proposal I was discussing with a friend was for each team to be allowed 4 foreign players in their squad. 2 Marquee and 2 Development. Ideally the 2 development spots could be used on Argentinians and or Islanders who don't qualify for australia, yet would not limit the other two marquee signings.
Then there should be some kind of compensation/trading market for the marquee spots. i.e The reds, loaded with aussie talent might not need any foreign spots and so they would be able to sell their two marquee positions to the Force for let's arbitrarily say $25,000 per season. The force can now recruit 4 marquees and 2 development/argies/islanders.

This serves two purposes - 1) it caps the number of foreigners in the league and 2) if a club doesn't need the spot, the spot can still be used and the selling club is compensated for it. Like A-League and MLS, the marquee's should not count towards the salary cap. this enables the marquees to get more money and then the salary cap is spread over fewer players, meaning the aussies get more money.

 

[wamberal]

I would have thought that Canberra is actually a good location for a young fella trying to make his name. It's small, easy to get to and from training, a pleasant enough place (if you disregard the weather) and only a relatively short drive to and from Sydney.

 

[Braveheart81]

Rent in Canberra is pretty cheap too.

If I was a young guy on a low end Super Rugby/EPS contract and I wasn't living at home, Canberra would be more affordable than any of the other Super Rugby locations in Australia.

 

[louie]

Rent in Canberra is pretty cheap too.

If I was a young guy on a low end Super Rugby/EPS contract and I wasn't living at home, Canberra would be more affordable than any of the other Super Rugby locations in Australia.

no it isn't. same if not worse then sydney or melboure.

 

[kronic]

Canberra is cheaper than Melbourne.

Melbourne and Sydney are now the most expensive in Aus, based on a report last week.

Does this thread need to degenerate into a debate on the merits of each city?

 

[louie]

in terms of rent it isn't any cheaper. I've just moved from canberra to sydney. The rent in manuka near Brumbies HQ is $500-600 per week for an apartment. Not really on the cheap side of things.
Eating out is is costly in canberra too.

 

[Slim 293]

The average rental price for Canberra is similar to Sydney (same for houses, slightly lower for uniits) but significantly higher than Melbourne.

 

[GaffaCHinO]

Median rents per city
WEEKLY HOUSE RENTS
Darwin $550
Sydney $500
Canberra $500
Perth $400
Brisbane $380
Melbourne $360
Adelaide $340
Hobart $320
WEEKLY UNIT RENTS
Darwin $460
Sydney $460
Canberra $440
Brisbane $365
Melbourne $350
Perth $350
Adelaide $280
Hobart $258
http://www.news.com.au/money/proper...n-capital-cities/story-e6frfmd0-1226249371833

End of....

 

[KevinO]

Median rents per city
WEEKLY HOUSE RENTS
Melbourne $360
WEEKLY UNIT RENTS
Melbourne $350
http://www.news.com.au/money/proper...n-capital-cities/story-e6frfmd0-1226249371833

End of..

I can't say anything about other cities really, but the prices in Melbourne are way off the mark. Those averages take into consideration the outer suburbs where rent is a lot cheaper than the cost of living in fringe suburbs of Melbourne.

For example, a 1 bedroom apartment in Southbank starts at around the $400pw mark for the smaller apartments, I'd say the guys living here don't live to far away from the City area as they don't want to drive to far to training.

 

[Slim 293]

In comparison the inner city Canberra rents are extremely expensive..........

I couldn't afford to move back there.

To sum up: Melbourne, cheaper rent; more expensive beer.

 

[GaffaCHinO]

Rory Sidey has settled in well. He has a hat company RJ street wear and made this check him out http://rjstreetwear.com/

 

[en_force_er]

In comparison the inner city Canberra rents are extremely expensive....

I couldn't afford to move back there.

To sum up: Melbourne, cheaper rent; more expensive beer.

I'm let to believe from friends in the know that Canberra's rent is higher because despite lesser housing prices there are less people investing in rental properties, supply is less than demand. The majority of renters are students but they mostly go through the Unis directly so they aren't really part of this system.

Melbourne on the other hand has an artificially inflated rental market because the reality is there are heaps of huge apartment buildings opening in the inner city/inner east and there's a recession so the demand isn't there.

Go out for a beer with a realestate agent in Melbourne, they're got more 1-2 bedroom apartments on their books then they know what to do with.

Rory Sidey has settled in well. He has a hat company RJ street wear and made this check him out http://rjstreetwear.com/

If he pops a few of those into Rugby Fever and a few in the store at AAMI, he'd make a pretty buck.

The kids who play rugby in Vic love Rebels gear and they love those hats.

 

[KevinO]

Rory Sidey has settled in well. He has a hat company RJ street wear and made this check him out http://rjstreetwear.com/

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His website needs a update, has Force hat's on it at the moment, to bad we don't have any day time home game that you would need a hat.

 

[KevinO]

Comment from Stirlo on today's live chat:

We love going out to the wild, wild west and seeing our loyal fans there. Perhaps I need to rustle up some troops and take a supporters trip. What do you think?

How many people would be interested if the Rebels did organise offical supporters tours?

 

[en_force_er]

His website needs a update, has Force hat's on it at the moment, to bad we don't have any day time home game that you would need a hat.

That kind of hat is a fashion accessory, not a sun protector. I promise you, there will be plenty of kids wearing hats like that with bball teams on them at any night game.

 

[Slim 293]

I'm let to believe from friends in the know that Canberra's rent is higher because despite lesser housing prices there are less people investing in rental properties, supply is less than demand. The majority of renters are students but they mostly go through the Unis directly so they aren't really part of this system.

Nah, it's quite the opposite.

Massive rental shortage, and aside from the influx of students you also have a huge number of public service workers coming in from interstate, with rather large pay packets, who are mostly renting.