QLD GPS Rugby 2018

[Confucius Say]

Bo Derek is 10

 

[Garry Owens]

He must be new

How does he fare against Pasiota , Walker and Jones?

And , you spoke of combinations earlier

Pasiota and ?

Walker and ?

Jones and ?

 

[Cancelled Account]

He must be new

How does he fare against Pasiota , Walker and Jones?

And , you spoke of combinations earlier

Pasiota and ?

Walker and ?

Jones and ?

The placement of a 10 will be relative to a forward pack. A skilled forward pack will give any 10 the time to execute. A small inexperienced forward pack will require a good defensive 10 who knows how to read their opposition. Look at this years outcomes. There was no doubt that Nudge and TSS were playing off for the top position.

 

[Dark Shark]

A recruitment issue initially. We took my boy to the school for an interview and all they wanted to do was talk rowing. Lucky escape on that one. If you’re a GPS school serious about rugby you can’t push rowing. That’s just asking for pre-season rugby injury. For the past 3 seasons BBC seem to have the highest injury numbers.

I call BS on rowing causing rugby injuries. I am involved in both sports and have been for decades. The following are just my observations.

Core strength is fundamental to assisting injury prevention. Core strength goes a long way to protecting the body against damage inflicted from external sources. In rugby it also provides balance and stability in all areas of the game. The young people coming through in most sports I am finding are losing the core strength levels I was used to seeing many many years ago.

Rowing provides the ability to build core strength with low impact, particularly on developing bodies and joints. The other benefits are leg strength and great aerobic capacity. And you don’t have to row First VIII to get those benefits. Just about every crew who trains for a Head of the River race at any level will get this benefit.

My observations over time is that the type that get injured the most are the rugby schoolboys who spend all off season in the gym where the muscle development is so skewed or without balance and core strength development that it leads to muscle tears, hamstrings being pulled from bones or torn so badly they need operating.

There can be balance between rowing and rugby and a recent great example of that is Tom Kibble.

 

[Cancelled Account]

I call BS on rowing causing rugby injuries. I am involved in both sports and have been for decades. The following are just my observations.

Core strength is fundamental to assisting injury prevention. Core strength goes a long way to protecting the body against damage inflicted from external sources. In rugby it also provides balance and stability in all areas of the game. The young people coming through in most sports I am finding are losing the core strength levels I was used to seeing many many years ago.

Rowing provides the ability to build core strength with low impact, particularly on developing bodies and joints. The other benefits are leg strength and great aerobic capacity. And you don’t have to row First VIII to get those benefits. Just about every crew who trains for a Head of the River race at any level will get this benefit.

My observations over time is that the type that get injured the most are the rugby schoolboys who spend all off season in the gym where the muscle development is so skewed or without balance and core strength development that it leads to muscle tears, hamstrings being pulled from bones or torn so badly they need operating.

There can be balance between rowing and rugby and a recent great example of that is Tom Kibble.

How many Super Rugby and Wallabies players over the past 10 years played and rowed in Firsts? I’m yet to see Kibble on the paddock for Super rugby.

There is a fine line. Body composition and willingness are the key. I hear BBC want to throw every kid in a boat. Being promised a First XV position if you jump in a boat. Now that’s when injuries occur. Let’s look at how the two top teams do it. Pre-season starts in January and not after rowing season.

 

[Dark Shark]

With GPS being the predominant breeding ground for future Super Rugby and Wallaby stocks can anyone let me know how many of the above boys would not be likely to continue with Rugby once finished school. In a sport struggling for development dollars are they being spent wisely?

From a snapshot of First XV’s from round 7 or 8 last year, the following numbers are playing rugby post school. It may not include those playing Colts interstate or social rugby but includes those signed up to franchises like Brumbies, Rebels or Stade Francais.

BSHS - 7 players
BGS - 4 players
BBC - 6 players
NC - 3 players
GT - 10 players
TSS - 6 players
ACGS - 5 players

Many of those missing or not listed were still playing for their school this year.

But with only around a 40% retention rate of First XV players from the one year group, it seems pretty grim.

 

[Dark Shark]

How many Super Rugby and Wallabies players over the past 10 years played and rowed in Firsts? I’m yet to see Kibble on the paddock for Super rugby.

There is a fine line. Body composition and willingness are the key. I hear BBC want to throw every kid in a boat. Being promised a First XV position if you jump in a boat. Now that’s when injuries occur. Let’s look at how the two top teams do it. Pre-season starts in January and not after rowing season.

Off the top of my head - most recent First VIII / First XV player to go on to Wallabies is Ned Hanigan (Joey’s).

However, in this day and age when you have coaches banging on about “specialising” in one sport while the kids are still developing, it is becoming rarer and rarer. Some schools with recruitment- only want the student to focus on one sport. I believe it is healthier in many different ways for students to enjoy a number of sports over a whole year.

 

[Dark Shark]

Ps - I acknowledge it is difficult to row and play rugby at top level at school these days. To train and compete at the high level of intensity demanded in back to back seasons, you have to be incredibly tough and there are not many at that age that can sustain the intensity required.

I am saying the rowing can be complimentary to rugby and that it does not have to be First VIII. Another recent example is Trevor Hosea who rowed second VIII last year and is in Rebels squad this year,

 

[The Engine Room]

From a snapshot of First XV’s from round 7 or 8 last year, the following numbers are playing rugby post school. It may not include those playing Colts interstate or social rugby but includes those signed up to franchises like Brumbies, Rebels or Stade Francais.

BSHS - 7 players
BGS - 4 players
BBC - 6 players
NC - 3 players
GT - 10 players
TSS - 6 players
ACGS - 5 players

Many of those missing or not listed were still playing for their school this year.

But with only around a 40% retention rate of First XV players from the one year group, it seems pretty grim.

 

[The Engine Room]

Yes - the stats are not good if these are correct. These numbers highlight the issue of schools increasingly giving scholarships to contracted/soon to be contracted rugby league players. The number of GPS school "recruiters" hanging around junior rugby league titles (Under 12's State titles particularly) is sickening.

The reality in many/most cases is that most of these RL boys have not intention of playing rugby union after school which is clearly eroding the player base and the results of our Wallabies and provincial teams speak for themselves. Further, many of the developing boys who have been dropped from under-age A teams as a result of this growing practice lose interest and respect and many check out.

The sad thing is that the boys all know exactly what is going on with all the gaming of the competition rules (read the 3 year grades 11-12 practice), the vicarious parents/family members constantly using this forum and others to promote their son/s into rep teams to improve their potential for RL contracts and the Win at any costs mentality adopted by some schools. This season's national and provincial teams performances, particularly last weekend, should be enough for everyone in the rugby community to take a long hard look.

 

[DarkSide]

A 4 way draw in the 15s age goes to show their will be great competition in their final year. Will be interesting to see.

State High 16s seemed to have a very up and down season due to many boys up in the firsts. Who were the standouts to help earn some hard earned victories? Surely some will be playing a key role for a firsts spot next year.

Next years State High team will be strong. I didn’t see many 16s games, but the 9/10 are both very good in that age group and will perform well.

 

[Lute]

Yes - the stats are not good if these are correct. These numbers highlight the issue of schools increasingly giving scholarships to contracted/soon to be contracted rugby league players. The number of GPS school "recruiters" hanging around junior rugby league titles (Under 12's State titles particularly) is sickening.

The reality in many/most cases is that most of these RL boys have not intention of playing rugby union after school which is clearly eroding the player base and the results of our Wallabies and provincial teams speak for themselves. Further, many of the developing boys who have been dropped from under-age A teams as a result of this growing practice lose interest and respect and many check out.

The sad thing is that the boys all know exactly what is going on with all the gaming of the competition rules (read the 3 year grades 11-12 practice), the vicarious parents/family members constantly using this forum and others to promote their son/s into rep teams to improve their potential for RL contracts and the Win at any costs mentality adopted by some schools. This season's national and provincial teams performances, particularly last weekend, should be enough for everyone in the rugby community to take a long hard look.

The Schools are not there to prop up the ARU.They don’t care if the boys are going to League or not .

 

[Les Patterson]

Off the top of my head - most recent First VIII / First XV player to go on to Wallabies is Ned Hanigan (Joey’s).

However, in this day and age when you have coaches banging on about “specialising” in one sport while the kids are still developing, it is becoming rarer and rarer. Some schools with recruitment- only want the student to focus on one sport. I believe it is healthier in many different ways for students to enjoy a number of sports over a whole year.

Ned Hanigan - another example of Waratah bias with Wallaby selections - "Looks like Jane, plays like Jane". Would not have lived against Loane, Shaw and Cornellsen.

 

[Cancelled Account]

Any obvious prospects for 2019 First XV from this years U15 Queensland Gold Cup teams? The Red team is usually the pick of the bunch.


Queensland U15 Red
Name School Club
Bailey Russell Anglican Church Grammar School Easts RUC
Brayden O'Sullivan Emerald SHS Nogoa Redclaws JRUC, Emerald
Cooper MCGeary The Southport School Surfers Paradise JRUC
David Vaihu St Joseph's College Gregory Terrace Sunnybank RUC
Dwayne Ludwick Marist College Ashgrove
Ezra Howe Brisbane SHS
Floyd Aubrey Marist College Ashgrove GPS RUC
Flynn Atkins The Southport School Bond University Pirates JRUC
George Stoddart Anglican Church Grammar School Easts RUC
Harrison Swane St Joseph's Nudgee College Albany Creek JRUC
Jock McPherson Anglican Church Grammar School
John Bryant St Laurences College Souths RUC
Joshua Mongard St Laurences College Souths RUC
Logan Smith Ipswich Grammar School
Malique Douthat-Sjoberg Ipswich Grammar School
Manihi Maurangi Trinity Bay SHS Brothers JRUC, Cairns
Mason Gordon Brisbane Boys College Wests RUC
Matthew Bennett Redcliffe SHS Caboolture JRUC
Nick Baker Marist College, Ashgrove GPS RUC
Noah Hartley Marist College (Emerald) Nogoa Redclaws JRUC, Emerald
Taj Annan Brisbane Boys College
Tanna Wilson Sunshine Coast Grammar School Sunshine Coast Grammar School JRUC
Tyson Stanley** Canterbury College Sunnybank RUC
Vincent Sefo Brisbane SHS
William Cartwright St Joseph's Nudgee College


Queensland U15 White
Name School Club
Albert Dynevor Downlands College South Toowoomba JRUC
Carsen Patu Keebra Park SHS Colleges JRUC
Cian Morris Aquinas College Surfers Paradise JRUC
Conor Postle Downlands College South Toowoomba JRUC
Dante Fruean Ipswich Grammar School Kenmore JRUC
Devin Pule'anga St Joseph's College, Gregory Terrace Easts RUC
Drew Whelan The Cathedral School, Townsville Teachers West JRUC, Townsville
Dylan Hapeta Mountain Creek SHS Caloundra JRUC
Edward Condon Brisbane Boys College Colts JRUC, Rockhampton
Elekana Suavai Trinity Bay SHS Brothers JRUC, Cairns
Flynn Johnson Chanel College, Gladstone Gladstone JRUC
Harry Wells The Southport School
Harry Whitten Marist College Ashgrove GPS RUC
Jesse Tagantanuu St Joseph's Nudgee College
Kaleb Sturgess St Patricks College, Shorncliffe Albany Creek JRUC
Kaleb Winters-Chang Brisbane SHS
Kmani Levi Ignatius Park College Burdekin JRUC
Lachlan Ryan Ignatius Park College Brothers JRUC, Townsville
Max Craig Iona College Easts RUC
Michael Jones St Joseph's Nudgee College Everton Park JRUC
Natiana Winikerei Wavell SHS Norths RUC
Nikolas Mitchell Townsville Grammar School Townsville Grammar JRUC
Noah Fielding AB Patterson College Helensvale JRUC
Raheem Rolfe Bowen SHS
Xavier Stowers Ipswich Grammar School Logan City RUC


Queensland U15 Blue
Name School Club
Alex Miles Miami SHS Surfers Paradise JRUC
Byron Smith St Joseph's Nudgee College Brothers RUC
Charlie Wigan Toowoomba Grammar School USQ Saints JRUC, Toowoomba
Damian Vukovic Brisbane SHS Easts JRUC
Darby Duke Brisbane SHS Sunnybank RUC
Douglas Gemmell Good Shepherd Lutheran College Caloundra JRUC
Ethan Tronc Ipswich Grammar School
Henry Doe Brisbane Boys College Wests JRUC
Jackson Brown Downlands College South Toowoomba JRUC
Jackson Chang Brisbane SHS
James Kininmonth Brisbane Boys College Easts JRUC
Jerry Silli Brisbane SHS Riverside JRUC
Jonathan Van Aswegen St Joseph's College Gregory Terrace
Lachlan Moss St Joseph's Nudgee College
Larzlo Sword Corinda SHS Sunnybank RUC
Louis Chabert The Southport School Surfers Paradise JRUC
Matt Brice Sunshine Coast Grammar School Sunshine Coast Grammar School JRUC
Max Johnson Padua College Albany Creek JRUC
Sam Morris The Southport School
Tony Fuimaono St Joseph's Nudgee College
Will Bailey Toowoomba Grammar School Dalby JRUC
Will Gilmore Scots PGC College, Warwick USQ Saints JRUC, Toowoomba
Willem Pienaar** Downlands College South Toowoomba JRUC
Xavier Collins Keebra Park SHS Colleges JRUC
Zac Hough Brisbane Boys College

 

[The Nomad]

^ Good chance David Vaihu will join his older brother Glen in the backline of GT's First XV next year.

Guessing Larzlo Sword from Corinda SHS is the younger brother of Izzy who started at Churchie this year and played 13 for their Firsts?

If so , good chance he will follow his brother over to East Brisbane.

 

[Dark Shark]

Ned Hanigan - another example of Waratah bias with Wallaby selections - "Looks like Jane, plays like Jane". Would not have lived against Loane, Shaw and Cornellsen.

Haha. Knew I would get the response as soon as I typed.

Ok - a recent Reds example is Dave McDuling (Riverview 1st VIII - 2006)

 

[Cancelled Account]

^ Good chance David Vaihu will join his older brother Glen in the backline of GT's First XV next year.

Guessing Larzlo Sword from Corinda SHS is the younger brother of Izzy who started at Churchie this year and played 13 for their Firsts?

If so , good chance he will follow his brother over to East Brisbane.

Glen was a standout at Riverview this year. Unfortunate not to get a position in the schoolboys squad. If David is anything like his brother, then GT might see the light. GT had a few great players this year with Roach, Kirk, Condon and Vaihu. Without the strength of a solid forward pack you just can’t attack and compete with the likes of the Nudge and TSS. Same goes for Carter Gordon at BBC. The kid was left out in the cold, but boy does he know how to tackle the big boys. Ezra from State High looks alright too. I don’t think he played his best game against our boys but seems to read the game well. A couple of the BBC boys look pretty well drilled. I like a few of the TSS boys, but have no idea who is who in the zoo.

 

[Countryjack]

How many Super Rugby and Wallabies players over the past 10 years played and rowed in Firsts? I’m yet to see Kibble on the paddock for Super rugby.

There is a fine line. Body composition and willingness are the key. I hear BBC want to throw every kid in a boat. Being promised a First XV position if you jump in a boat. Now that’s when injuries occur. Let’s look at how the two top teams do it. Pre-season starts in January and not after rowing season.

RR

The TSS coach would disagree with you.Plenty of Open TSS rugby players row
Any way -this is a rugby forum on rugby-not a stage for you to moan about your son missing out on the 1sts because he couldn't/wouldnt row.You are throwing/spraying some poor accusations out there .

 

[Countryjack]

Mr Dark Shark

Your last round selections were very close to mark. Congrats.

 

[Cancelled Account]

RR

The TSS coach would disagree with you.Plenty of Open TSS rugby players row
Any way -this is a rugby forum on rugby-not a stage for you to moan about your son missing out on the 1sts because he couldn't/wouldnt row.You are throwing/spraying some poor accusations out there .

^That is BS. Tell me what State and upcoming Aus reps rowed in First VIII from TSS this year???? At Nudgee we are not made to row and my son was in the Firsts.