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NSW Rugby obvservations

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Yes i know its the COO of the Rebels, but he raises some interesting points about rugby in NSW(see bolded text), i have often noticed similar sentiments from NSW clubs towards the ARU and NSWRU, i think its rather interesting and goes along way to reaffirm the NSWRU decision to split the NSWRU and Tahs rugby.

In my opinion QLD doesnt have the same problem, whilst there is grassroot level frustration towards the ARU and QRU, i dont believe that any angst towards the QRU is reflected towards the Reds. In retrospect most clubs seem very supportive of the Reds regardless of the working relationship between the QRU and themselves.

As Chief Operating Officer of the RaboDirect Rebels, Steve Boland is responsible for the day-to-day management of the club and its business operations. An experienced executive, Boland brings not only his business acumen to the Rebels but also a lifelong passion for rugby. An example of this crossover is his presidency of the Parramatta Two Blues Rugby Club in Sydney.

With the majority of the Rebels squad away enjoying some well-earned time off during the bye-week, Boland took the opportunity to give his mid-term assessment of the club’s progression in its debut year.

“The absolute best thing, something none of us expected that’s been a great fillip for the whole club, has been the passionate nature of the support,” Boland began. “The crowds are about where we hoped they would be but it’s not so much the numbers but the nature of the support has just been phenomenal. Everybody in the organisation, from players, right through to the board members have just been so thrilled by how we’ve been accepted by the Victorian public.”

“The last home game, against the Hurricanes, we went up against St Kilda and Geelong at the MCG, and we had our best crowd since round one. That’s given us confidence that we’ve got a different type of support and we’ve done surveys and identified that the vast majority of these are genuine rugby people, so we’re confident that going up against the AFL on a Friday night doesn’t make much of a difference to us.”

Enthusiasm for the club’s development off the field has, in the last two weeks, been matched by performances on it, as the Rebels strive to achieve the consistency required to survive in Super Rugby.

“On the field, we’ve probably exceeded our expectations,” Boland explained. “We’re three wins from seven now so I think we’re probably slightly ahead and getting that first away win was a real monkey off our back. Everyone’s looking forward to the rest of the year with a lot of hope that we can really perform well.”

Hope may be one thing, but Boland is careful to temper expectations, just seven weeks into a gruelling first crack at the competition. “There’s been a bit of finals talk around the place but we really want to water that down at the moment. The old hackneyed cliché that you’re only as good as your last game is right,” Boland said.

“We’ve got a bye this week so we get points, then we have a really important match at home to the Highlanders, then we go to New Zealand for a really tough game against the Blues and we’ve still got a trip to South Africa ahead of us, so I think finals talk is premature but we’re in a great position.”

While the club has had notable success both on the pitch and in the stands, the message from the top remains one of ‘could do better,’ with Boland cautioning against complacency, particularly with regard to the fulfilment of the Rebels Creed and Five Star engagement policy.

“The absolute first thing we have to do is deliver on the promise of the pledge and the Five Star engagement programme. Otherwise it becomes something that was a really great idea, but sometimes, great ideas when they don’t quite work can have a negative influence because they become a millstone around your neck until you deliver on it. I know all the senior management, the players, the coaches and the board are committed, so we have to deliver. If we don’t, it will shake us out of our honeymoon period pretty quickly,” Boland warned

“There’s a huge intent from everybody in the organisation to live the pledge and also commit to the Five Star engagement strategy. I think we can do it better and I think we’re learning at the moment to be more proactive. The organisation realises there’s a fantastic promise out there and we’re committed to delivering on that promise and we’ve got a bit of work to do before we complete that,” Boland said. “But, nobody’s backing away from that promise and it is an important point of difference for the club.”

“We want to be part of the Victorian rugby community and to connect as well as we can in that area, we need to deliver on the promise of the pledge and also the Five Star engagement strategy.”

Much to Boland’s delight, one aspect of the club’s integration in the Victorian rugby community that has been a great success is the Rebel Rugby programme.

“The Rebel Rugby programme, from the top down, has been a huge success,” Boland enthused. “The Rebel Rising team did exactly what we wanted it to. We wanted to give our contracted players that weren’t playing in the 22 a game of rugby at a decent standard. We wanted to look at some guys out of Sydney and Brisbane who were on the cusp of being suitable for Super Rugby, and we’ve found a couple of guys out of that that we’re looking at seriously for the future. And we wanted to give the best players in the Victorian competition a taste of top class rugby, and we did that. And we won some games!”

“Josh Philpot, Matt Cockbain, Nick Ryan and all the guys involved in that programme have done a phenomenal job. The next step is to move from Rebel Rising mode into Victorian state team mode and then into junior rep team mode after that. We’re looking for the same level of success in those programmes that we’ve seen from Rebel Rising,” he said.

It’s clear that the success of Rebel Rising and the development of rugby throughout the state is critical to the success of the club in the long-term. As Boland explains: “I’ve spoken to different stakeholder groups in the last week about what the key indicators of success for the Rebels are. It’s not just about on field success, or financial success, which are both important, but it’s also about how many people are playing rugby in Victoria.”

“If we get more participation from juniors through to seniors throughout Melbourne and Victoria, it increases interest in the code, more people want to become members, more people want to come to the games and it makes the whole cycle more successful,” he said.

“If we won the competition and less people were playing rugby in Victoria I’d say it wouldn’t be a successful year. A successful year for us is to be really competitive on the field week in, week out, have a really solid financial base and for the whole code in Victoria to be in a healthier state for our presence. If we can do all of those things then we’ll be a sustainable, successful organisation.”

As an individual with detailed knowledge of rugby administration in both Sydney and Melbourne, Boland is a strong position to compare both markets.

“It’s clear that the major difference is that we’re being strongly willed to success by the Victorian rugby community. I know there were some competing bids for the license that was granted to the Melbourne Rebels originally but there are people that were involved in opposing bids that are absolutely right behind the Rebels now,” Boland explained.

“My experience in Sydney is that not everybody involved in club rugby is a passionate supporter of the Waratahs. In fact, unfortunately, it’s quite the reverse in some cases. Because of the way the NSW Rugby Union is viewed at grassroots level, some of that gets reflected on the professional team. That’s not the case down here. We get beaten by the Sharks and get a standing ovation!”

As the RaboDirect Rebels regroup in readiness for the second-half of an already momentous debut season, Boland had one last message for Rebels supporters.

“Thank you. Thank you for supporting us so strongly, as you already have. Everybody in the organisation, if you talk to players, coaches, staff, that’s the thing we’re really proud of and it keeps the thing going knowing how passionate our support is. We want to make sure we’re a team that justifies that level of support.”

http://www.melbournerebels.com.au/News/ArticleDetails/tabid/270/ArticleID/2064/Default.aspx
 

James Buchanan

Trevor Allan (34)
I'm more interested in the Rebels/VRU bit in the piece. I'm very pleased to hear the direction they're taking the organisation from a developmental standpoint. Then again from what I have observed, all the cultural elements about the Rebels organisation have been fantastic.
 

Lindommer

Simon Poidevin (60)
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What a great attitude yer man has to the sport he supports. On two levels I have a smidgeon of understanding what he's about: firstly, as a club warrior in Sydney the disconnect between the club scene and the Tahs is mystifying (and worrying), and secondly, having attended the Rebels first match in Melbourne, where they were smashed by the Tahs, the support was fantastic. Those mad Mexicans, they're magnificent! More power to them.
 

James Buchanan

Trevor Allan (34)
For some reason Lindo, your reference to the first game made me think about what the attitude of the crowd was then and to some extent the Sharks game. I know that I have found with the Rebels that no matter what I will go and cheer and support them, just because they are my team. Which is I think what differs between the NSW and Victorian rugby communities. In NSW, most everyone who supports rugby passionately has a Shute Shield team that they support. In Melbourne that isn't strictly the case. There's a lot of club loyalties, but because I daresay the Vic Premier comp is not as 'serious' as Shute Shield, you can be a passionate rugby supporter down here and either nominally (such as in my case) or not at all support a rugby team; which is likely the case for a lot of people who played the game in High School, but never went on with it.

So, for a lot of the Victorian community 'my team' is the Rebels, we've waited for it for so long and it's definitely been worth it.
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
Two points about this article:

1, I'm thrilled that the people of Melbourne have got behind their team and supported them. The Rebels are building something great down there.

2, I've had the impression for some time that there is a schism between the professional parts of the game in Sydney and the club scene. It's almost like they actively work against each other, which I find very strange. Can anyone over there clue me in to why this might be the case?
 
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IMO the 'grievances' between the professional game and the club game is the biggest issue in Australian Rugby.....
Club rugby is the lifeblood of Australian Rugby, and the Shute Shield is the pinnacle grassroot event, its incredibly worrying that there is such animosity between the club level rugby and professional level.
 
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IMO the 'grievances' between the professional game and the club game is the biggest issue in Australian Rugby.....
Club rugby is the lifeblood of Australian Rugby, and the Shute Shield is the pinnacle grassroot event, its incredibly worrying that there is such animosity between the club level rugby and professional level.

The main reason would be support and money. Eventhough club rugby is where a lot of these players are developed in the colts competitions and also in club development programs, they receive NOTHING from the governing body for doing this hard work. Surely the club rugby scene would not carry such animosity against the higher levels of rugby , if they received something for their efforts. For instance surely the registration fees and insurance costs that are carried by the clubs should be paid by the state union. I know that per year it costs about $20K in registration and insurance costs for my club to take part in the ACT comp. I think if the top levels of rugby appreciated the grass roots clubs and the level of work that they put in to develop the game and bring in juniors then this resentment may subside.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
There is a bit of a feeling in some Clubs that the Waratahs tend to be the province of a few Shute Teams. Tends to generate a bit of animosity from the rest. You saw it last year when the Tahs players returned from Super duty to their respective Shield teams and you will see it to a lesser degree this year (as the Super Season is longer).
 

wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
I wonder how much of this malaise is a product of the poisonous relationship between several of the Sydney clubs and the ARU over the ARC?


However, the recent history of the NSWRU has been incredibly patchy, they had huge financial problems and lots of internal acrimony apparently.
 

wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
There is a bit of a feeling in some Clubs that the Waratahs tend to be the province of a few Shute Teams. Tends to generate a bit of animosity from the rest. You saw it last year when the Tahs players returned from Super duty to their respective Shield teams and you will see it to a lesser degree this year (as the Super Season is longer).

Well, mate, as a Randwick supporter you will be well aware that there was a widespread belief for many years that wearing the Green Jersey was a natural precursor to wearing the Blue, then the Gold.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
Well, mate, as a Randwick supporter you will be well aware that there was a widespread belief for many years that wearing the Green Jersey was a natural precursor to wearing the Blue, then the Gold.

Only because the beautiful, skillful and God's Chosen play in the Myrtle, so it is therefore just a natural progression much like the sun rising. Notice the break from this formula has caused anger from above and the results have suffered. Return to the way things should be and results will flow!!
 

AngrySeahorse

Peter Sullivan (51)
I've made comments on threads like this before so I could probably just cut and paste from a prior post but any how...

I agree with this article that there is a disconnection between the Tahs and the Sydney rugby community. What many fail to understand is that it also affects the rest of NSW outside of Sydney which also has a large Rugby community spread over many towns and cities.

Its areas like these where not only do the people in the Rugby communities not seem to care much for the Tahs but it also extends to the Shute shield which is also seen by many as a 'sydney comp' not a comp to represent all of NSW. There were teams at least from Canberra and Newcastle and a couple of other places I believe in the shute shield some time ago. Regardless of the issues and reasons for these teams to be dropped it isn’t a good look to have some non-sydney teams in the shute shield then drop them to form an entirely all-Sydney comp which sends the message of 'we just this to be a Sydney comp, our own community, not yours, go get stuffed'. For people to then turn around and expect people from these areas outside of Sydney to then support the shute shield, then by extention the tahs – your pushing a truck load of shit up a 90deg angle to get that to happen.

The point is the problem of uniting NSW behind one team is pretty much near impossible in my view, the fractures in NSW Rugby extend from its one Super team to the shute shield to other levels of club rugby in Sydney and then to NSW Country. The kind of person NSW Rugby would need to bring in to clean up and sort out this mess would need to have a better work ethic and stronger stomach than the cleaners we had turn up to our club house the day after freshers.

In the interests of Rugby I hope at least Victoria will avoid the same shit NSW has had.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
Seahorse, I wish they had retained the Vikings in the Shield. Canberra isn't that far and on a bad traffic day it is harder to get to Penrith than Canberra from half the Suburbs in Sydney. You have to go a long long way back to find a team from Newcastle in the Shield, and I will have to differ to somebody with a much greater historical knowledge (or a damn sight older than me) than mine but I don't think there has ever been any other (non-Sydney Basin) teams in the Shield. What has distanced the competition from the bush in recent times is the fact that not many country blokes have been making it into the Teams, without getting through to a Waratahs or other Super (or academy) contract first. Not many are now macking their name in the Shield like the country boys did in the olds days. Not many like Tim Gavin, Warrwick Waugh, Campo rising through the club ranks. Now we have young kids signed from school rep sides into the academies and hence into the pro teams. It takes away that layer of support where the clubs those blokes had come from would feel some bond with the Shute Club "their" star played with and then onto the state they played with.

The internecine infighting in the NSWRU has also caused disenchantment as many volunteers and true blood followers just throw up their hands and say I have had enough of that crap and just go quiet and follow the team on the tube only.
 

DPK

Peter Sullivan (51)
If the ARU could give some money for travel, a Canberra team would be a great addition to the Shute Shield.
 

AngrySeahorse

Peter Sullivan (51)
Agree with your post Gnostic. Thanks for clarifying the shute shield teams numbers from outside sydney.

I loved the Canberra Vikings when they were in the shute shield because they had a bit of ‘an outsider team’ feel about them being a non Sydney team, I actually watched the shute shield when I had bye weekends because of them.

The pathway for Rugby players in NSW is very narrow. Some say the country boys aren’t up to it which is BS. I went to school with Anthony Quinn (storm) plus many others who played league and union for our high school, all ended up in league as it has a much more accessible pathway. Country has the players just not the pathway.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
If the ARU could give some money for travel, a Canberra team would be a great addition to the Shute Shield.

Why Konze. It costs the same in fuel and tolls to drive to Penrith as it does to drive to Canberra. No subsidy should be required.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
If they put in all the grades (and Colts) this time fine, if not ...............................

It's a weak excuse for exclusion.

Didn't the Vikings also pay for or subside the costs for Sydney teams to travel to Canberra to play matches?

I'm pretty sure that the Sydney clubs would rather not have a Canberra side as they won't be able to prop up their squads with JID imports..
 
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