November Internationals not involving Australia

[amirite]

I was referring to Canada getting flogged by the Paddies, Rn39. I thought Canada were on the up this last decade, have they stalled? Gone backwards?

They were good at the World Cup. I think these tier 2 and 3 unions really 'work towards' WCs in terms of their selection policies in ways that make us Tier 1s look like jokers.

The Canadians are forward thinking is all, and Ireland are handy and are picking a fair few old experienced heads.

 

[galumay]

I was referring to Canada getting flogged by the Paddies, Rn39. I thought Canada were on the up this last decade, have they stalled? Gone backwards?

Considering Ireland just beat the ABs - something no team in the world has been able to do for about 18 tests in a row - I think Canada did very well, they went try for try with the Irish in the first half and looked really good.

Their depth in games like this is exposed because they don't have access to a lot of their players from overseas. Their bench had no capped players as an example!

 

[Braveheart81]

1. Joe Moody (22)

2. Dane Coles (47)

3. Owen Franks (88)

4. Brodie Retallick (58)

5. Samuel Whitelock (82)

6. Liam Squire (7)

7. Sam Cane (39)

8. Kieran Read - captain (95)

9. Aaron Smith (56)

10. Beauden Barrett (47)

11. Julian Savea (50)

12. Anton Lienert-Brown (6)

13. Malakai Fekitoa (22)

14. Israel Dagg (59)

15. Ben Smith (59)

16. Codie Taylor (13)

17. Wyatt Crockett (56)

18. Charlie Faumuina (44)

19. Scott Barrett (2)

20. Ardie Savea (10)

21. TJ Perenara (27)

22. Aaron Cruden (45)

23. Waisake Naholo (10)


All Blacks back to a more normal lineup compared to their last test against Ireland. Proper locks makes all the difference.

 

[Pfitzy]

Kaino injured?

 

[Braveheart81]

Kaino injured?

Yes, he has a mild calf strain according to the article.

Based on the experience of Shane Watson, that's a 6-12 month injury.

 

[Hawko]

All Blacks back to a more normal lineup compared to their last test against Ireland. Proper locks makes all the difference.

Hansen's still got Smith at 9. I can't see why Perenara is not their first choice halfback based on the recent form.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Ireland vs New Zealand
@ Aviva Stadium
Referee: Jaco Peyper (South Africa)
Assistant referees: Mathieu Raynal (France), Ian Davies (Wales)
Television match official: Jon Mason (Wales)

Ireland: 15 Rob Kearney, 14 Andrew Trimble, 13 Jared Payne, 12 Robbie Henshaw, 11 Simon Zebo, 10 Johnny Sexton, 9 Conor Murray, 8 Jamie Heaslip, 7 Sean O'Brien, 6 CJ Stander, 5 Devin Toner, 4 Donnacha Ryan, 3 Tadhg Furlong, 2 Rory Best (c), 1 Jack McGrath
Replacements: 16 Sean Cronin, 17 Cian Healy, 18 Finlay Bealham, 19 Iain Henderson, 20 Josh van der Flier, 21 Kieran Marmion, 22 Paddy Jackson, 23 Garry Ringrose

New Zealand: 15 Ben Smith, 14 Israel Dagg, 13 Malakai Fekitoa, 12 Anton Lienert-Brown, 11 Julian Savea, 10 Beauden Barrett, 9 Aaron Smith, 8 Kieran Read (c), 7 Sam Cane, 6 Liam Squire, 5 Samuel Whitelock, 4 Brodie Retallick, 3 Owen Franks, 2 Dane Coles, 1 Joe Moody
Replacements: 16 Codie Taylor, 17 Wyatt Crockett, 18 Charlie Faumuina, 19 Scott Barrett, 20 Ardie Savea, 21 TJ Perenara, 22 Aaron Cruden, 23 Waisake Naholo

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Italy vs South Africa
@ Stadio Artemio Franchi
Referee: George Clancy (Ireland)
Assistant referees: Nigel Owens (Wales), David Wilkinson (Ireland)
Television match official: Peter Fitzgibbon (Ireland)

Italy: 15 Edoardo Padovani, 14 Giulio Bisegni, 13 Tommaso Benvenuti, 12 Luke McLean, 11 Giovanbattista Venditti, 10 Carlo Canna, 9 Giorgio Bronzini, 8 Sergio Parisse (c), 7 Simone Favaro, 6 Francesco Minto, 5 Andries van Schalkwyk, 4 Marco Fuser, 3 Lorenzo Cittadini, 2 Ornel Gega, 1 Sami Panico
Replacements: 16 Tommaso D’Apice, 17 Nicola Quaglio, 18 Simone Ferrari, 19 George Fabio Biagi, 20 Abraham Steyn, 21 Edoardo Gori, 22 Tommaso Allan, 23 Tommaso Boni

South Africa: 15 Willie le Roux, 14 Ruan Combrinck, 13 Francois Venter, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Pat Lambie, 9 Rudy Paige, 8 Warren Whiteley, 7 Willem Alberts, 6 Nizaam Carr, 5 Lood de Jager, 4 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 3 Vincent Koch, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Tendai Mtawarira
Replacements: 16 Bongi Mbonambi, 17 Steven Kitshoff, 18 Trevor Nyakane, 19 Franco Mostert, 20 Teboho Mohoje, 21 Faf de Klerk, 22 Elton Jantjies, 23 Johan Goosen

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Scotland vs Argentina
@ Murrayfield
Referee: Ben O’Keeffe (New Zealand)
Assistant referees: Jérôme Garcès (France), Thomas Charabas (France)
Television match official: Shaun Davey (England)

Scotland: 15 Stuart Hogg, 14 Sean Maitland, 13 Huw Jones, 12 Alex Dunbar, 11 Tommy Seymour, 10 Finn Russell, 9 Greig Laidlaw (c), 8 John Barclay, 7 Hamish Watson, 6 Magnus Bradbury, 5 Jonny Gray, 4 Grant Gilchrist, 3 Zander Fagerson, 2 Fraser Brown, 1 Allan Dell
Replacements: 16 Ross Ford, 17 Alex Allan, 18 Moray Low, 19 Tim Swinson, 20 Ryan Wilson, 21 Ali Price, 22 Pete Horne, 23 Tim Visser

Argentina: 15 Joaquín Tuculet, 14 Matías Moroni, 13 Matías Orlando, 12 Juan Martín Hernández, 11 Santiago Cordero, 10 Nicolás Sánchez, 9 Martín Landajo, 8 Facundo Isa, 7 Javier Ortega Desio, 6 Pablo Matera, 5 Matías Alemanno, 4 Guido Petti, 3 Ramiro Herrera, 2 Agustín Creevy (c), 1 Lucas Noguera
Replacements: 16 Julián Montoya, 17 Santiago García Botta, 18 Enrique Pieretto, 19 Leonardo Senatore, 20 Juan Manuel Leguizamon, 21 Tomás Cubelli, 22 Jerónimo De la Fuente, 23 Juan Pablo Estelles

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

England vs Fiji
@ Twickenham
Referee: Marius Mitrea (Italy)
Assistant referees: Paul Williams (New Zealand), Lloyd Linton (Scotland)
Television match official: Gareth Simmonds (Wales)

England: 15 Alex Goode, 14 Semesa Rokoduguni, 13 Jonathan Joseph, 12 Owen Farrell, 11 Elliot Daly, 10 George Ford, 9 Ben Youngs, 8 Billy Vunipola, 7 Teimana Harrison, 6 Chris Robshaw, 5 Courtney Lawes, 4 Joe Launchbury, 3 Dan Cole, 2 Dylan Hartley, 1 Mako Vunipola
Replacements: 16 Jamie George, 17 Joe Marler, 18 Kyle Sinckler, 19 Charlie Ewels, 20 Nathan Hughes, 21 Danny Care, 22 Ben Te’o, 23 Henry Slade

Fiji: 15 Metuisela Talebula, 14 Benito Masilevu, 13 Asaeli Tikoirotuma, 12 Albert Vulivuli, 11 Nemani Nadolo, 10 Josh Matavesi, 9 Seru Vularika, 8 Akapusi Qera, 7 Peceli Yato, 6 Dominiko Waqaniburotu, 5 Leone Nakarawa, 4 Api Ratuniyawara, 3 Manasa Saulo, 2 Sunia Koto, 1 Campese Ma'afu
Replacements: 16 Tuapati Talemaitoga, 17 Peni Ravai, 18 Leeroy Atalifo, 19 Nemia Soqeta, 20 Naulia Dawai, 21 Eremasi Radrodro, 22 Nikola Matawalu, 23 Kini Murimurivalu

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Wales vs Japan
@ Principality Stadium
Referee: Marius van der Westhuizen (South Africa)
Assistant referees: John Lacey (Ireland), Craig Maxwell-Keys (England)
Television match official: Eric Gauzins (France)

Wales: 15 Liam Williams, 14 Leigh Halfpenny, 13 Jonathan Davies, 12 Jamie Roberts, 11 Alex Cuthbert, 10 Gareth Anscombe, 9 Lloyd Williams, 8 James King, 7 Sam Warburton (c), 6 Dan Lydiate, 5 Alun Wyn Jones, 4 Cory Hill, 3 Samson Lee, 2 Scott Baldwin, 1 Nicky Smith
Replacements: 16 Kristian Dacey, 17 Rhys Gill, 18 Scott Andrews, 19 Jake Ball, 20 Ross Moriarty, 21 Gareth Davies, 22 Sam Davies, 23 Keelan Giles

Japan: 15 Kotaro Matsushima, 14 Akihito Yamada, 13 Timothy Lafaele, 12 Harumichi Tatekawa, 11 Kenki Fukuoka, 10 Yu Tamura, 9 Fumiaki Tanaka, 8 Amanaki Mafi, 7 Shunsuke Nunomaki, 6 Malgene Ilaua, 5 Samuela Anise, 4 Kyosuke Kajikawa, 3 Kensuke Hatakeyama, 2 Shota Horie, 1 Satoshi Nakatani
Replacements: 16 Takeshi Hino, 17 Koki Yamamoto, 18 Heiichiro Ito, 19 Uwe Helu, 20 Shuhei Matsuhashi, 21 Yuhimaru Mimura, 22 Keisuke Uchida, 23 Amanaki Lotoahea

 

[Highlander35]

TONGA
1 Tevita Mailau 2 Paul Ngauamo 3 Siua Halanukonuka 4 Steve Mafi 5 Joe Tu’ineau 6 Daniel Faleafa 7 Jack Ram 8 Tevita Koloamatangi 9 Tane Takulua 10 Kali Hala 11 Fetu’u Vainikolo 12 Latiume Fosita 13 Siale Piutau (capt.) 14 Nafi Tuitavake 15 Telusa Veainu

16 Elvis Taione 17 Paea Fa’anunu 18 Sila Puafisi 19 Valentino Mapapalangi 20 Kotoni Ale 21 Tomasi Palu 22 Tevita Taufu’i 23 Tevita Halaifonua

 

[Hawko]

TONGA
1 Tevita Mailau 2 Paul Ngauamo 3 Siua Halanukonuka 4 Steve Mafi 5 Joe Tu’ineau 6 Daniel Faleafa 7 Jack Ram 8 Tevita Koloamatangi 9 Tane Takulua 10 Kali Hala 11 Fetu’u Vainikolo 12 Latiume Fosita 13 Siale Piutau (capt.) 14 Nafi Tuitavake 15 Telusa Veainu

16 Elvis Taione 17 Paea Fa’anunu 18 Sila Puafisi 19 Valentino Mapapalangi 20 Kotoni Ale 21 Tomasi Palu 22 Tevita Taufu’i 23 Tevita Halaifonua

Am I right in saying that the six players highlighted all played for Australian Super or club sides?

 

[Lindommer]

Hansen's still got Smith at 9. I can't see why Perenara is not their first choice halfback based on the recent form.

Not on Perenara's work in the disabled dunnies.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Am I right in saying that the six players highlighted all played for Australian Super or club sides?

And Piutau and Tuitavake with NZ sides?

 

[Highlander35]

Scotland
15 Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors) – 46 caps; 11 tries, 3 pens, 64 points

14 Sean Maitland (Saracens) – 24 caps; 3 tries, 15 points
13 Huw Jones (Stormers) – 2 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
12 Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors) – 17 caps; 5 tries, 25 points
11 Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors) – 29 caps; 13 tries, 65 points

10 Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors) – 20 caps; 2 tries, 3 cons, 1 pen, 19 points
9 Greig Laidlaw CAPTAIN (Gloucester) – 54 caps; 4 tries, 68 cons, 129 pens, 543 points

1 Allan Dell (Edinburgh Rugby) – 1 cap
2 Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors) – 18 caps
3 Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors) – 2 caps
4 Grant Gilchrist (Edinburgh Rugby) – 13 caps; 1 try, 5 points
5 Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors) – 26 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
6 Magnus Bradbury (Edinburgh Rugby) – uncapped
7 Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby) – 3 caps
8 John Barclay (Scarlets) – 53 caps; 4 tries, 20 points

Substitutes:
16 Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby) – 100 caps; 2 tries, 10 points
17 Alex Allan (Glasgow Warriors) – 1 cap
18 Moray Low (Exeter Chiefs) – 35 caps
19 Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors) – 24 caps
20 Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors) – 21 caps
21 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – uncapped
22 Pete Horne (Glasgow Warriors) – 21 caps; 2 tries, 1 con, 1 pen, 15 points
23 Tim Visser (Harlequins) – 27 caps; 11 tries, 55 points

Richie Gray and Hardie injured, Seymour fit once again.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

And Piutau and Tuitavake with NZ sides?

Also Koloamatangi (Tasman) & you'll probably find some others if you dig deep enough. I don't think there's been a Tongan resident in their squad for some time now, certainly the last coupla RWC squads have been all foreign-based and/ or born offshore. It's one of the reasons I hope they never scrap the grandparent eligibility pathway, it'll kill PI rugby if they do.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

We made some odd choices in Chicago, even allowing for the locking crisis, plus losing our midfield didn't help but this looks more like a proper AB team & one that can dictate the terms of the match rather than reacting to what Ireland are doing. It'll take probably 50-60 minutes of hard yakka to do it, but I think NZ by 7-10 at that point & as many as 20 by FT isn't out of the question. #payback4chicago.

 

[Hawko]

We made some odd choices in Chicago, even allowing for the locking crisis, plus losing our midfield didn't help but this looks more like a proper AB team & one that can dictate the terms of the match rather than reacting to what Ireland are doing. It'll take probably 50-60 minutes of hard yakka to do it, but I think NZ by 7-10 at that point & as many as 20 by FT isn't out of the question. #payback4chicago.

Yep. Ireland are about to find out what happens when you kick the hornet's nest.

 

[Sully]

I think this side is significantly better than the one in Chicago. I don't think the Irish can lift enough to beat them.

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