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Northern Hemisphere/6N Rugby

Rob42

Nicholas Shehadie (39)
It is more on the TMO than ref and definitely should've been upgraded by the TMO, but I think what's there warrants an on field red (not just a 20 minute one), given it happens well and truly after the whistle.
Was the TMO's reluctance to upgrade to red just because the camera angles weren't great? From what I saw, the way he lunged forward looked nasty, and he probably couldn't have hit anything but head, but there just wasn't a clear angle of the impact.
 

Strewthcobber

David Codey (61)
Was the TMO's reluctance to upgrade to red just because the camera angles weren't great? From what I saw, the way he lunged forward looked nasty, and he probably couldn't have hit anything but head, but there just wasn't a clear angle of the impact.
I'd say that's what it was practically, but still it means the TMO stuffs this up. You can't mitigate down for always illegal acts of foul play, which clearly a headbut after the whistle would fall into.

So the ref decided it was yellow card threshold - which is clear

TMO decides
* there is head contact
* there is foul play
* Degree of danger is medium (!) - so YC
* Can't mitigate down

So stays at YC.

I think the TMO is just wrong there. Once he decides there is head contact (first step) he either got the process wrong and mitigated down, or incorrectly assessed the degree of danger
 

Italophile

Darby Loudon (17)
The RFU is threatening to move rugby away from Twickenham (aka Allianz Stadium) because the local council won't ease restrictions on non-rugby use of the stadium. Eg, concerts. They are currently allowed 3 non-rugby events a year with attendance capped at 58,000. In contrast, Tottenham FC's flash new stadium is allowed to host 30 non-football events a year earning a fortune. The RFU is saying a proposed revamp of Twickenham costing around half a billion is unworkable if the stadium sits empty for 340 days a year.
 

molman

Jim Lenehan (48)
It is more on the TMO than ref and definitely should've been upgraded by the TMO, but I think what's there warrants an on field red (not just a 20 minute one), given it happens well and truly after the whistle.
I can see how with the proceeding kerfuffle and the referee not seeing it all clearly live why he might not call a straight red. Agree with @Strewthcobber's assessment of the stuff up. It would have been interesting how it might have changed the dynamic of the game, France down a player for another 10mins.
 

molman

Jim Lenehan (48)
The RFU is threatening to move rugby away from Twickenham (aka Allianz Stadium) because the local council won't ease restrictions on non-rugby use of the stadium. Eg, concerts. They are currently allowed 3 non-rugby events a year with attendance capped at 58,000. In contrast, Tottenham FC's flash new stadium is allowed to host 30 non-football events a year earning a fortune. The RFU is saying a proposed revamp of Twickenham costing around half a billion is unworkable if the stadium sits empty for 340 days a year.
The RFU own Twickenham Stadium. Surely any other option would be more costly? But I get their point/issue. Seems rather wasteful to have these large assets so under-utilised.

I wonder what the zoning/environmental profile is like for Twickenham. Twickenham does have more residential in closer proximity than say the Sydney Allianz.
 
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Wilson

John Eales (66)
The RFU own Twickenham Stadium. Surely any other option would be more costly? But I get their point/issue. Seems rather wastful to have these large assets so under-utilised.

I wonder what the zoning/environmental profile is like for Twickenham. Twickenham does have more residential in closer proximity than say the Sydney Allianz.
I think it's more a play aimed at the constituency of the local council. That is every bit rugby country and if there is any concrete suggestion they'd lose out on England test matches in their backyard they'd revolt. Or at least that's what it looks like the RFU's play is, I think there's a solid chance it's the blazer crowd that they're trying to leverage that doesn't want the non-rugby events, so it may not work as well as they hope.
 

Italophile

Darby Loudon (17)
I think it's more a play aimed at the constituency of the local council. That is every bit rugby country and if there is any concrete suggestion they'd lose out on England test matches in their backyard they'd revolt. Or at least that's what it looks like the RFU's play is, I think there's a solid chance it's the blazer crowd that they're trying to leverage that doesn't want the non-rugby events, so it may not work as well as they hope.
I think you're right. They're looking enviously at Tottenham's multi-use of their stadium and Haringey Council's support for the stadium from the get-go, not always to the delight of the locals. They've also floated the notion of buying 50% of Wembley, a shit stadium if ever there were one. It's politics, something the RFU have famously always managed to get wrong.
 
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