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Mortlock dumped as captain

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Nicholas Shehadie (39)
Forgive the melodramatic headline, its taken directly from the article.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26184189-5015651,00.html

STIRLING Mortlock's 28-Test reign as Australia captain is over and George Smith's role as caretaker skipper is not to be extended as Rocky Elsom is set to be named today to lead the Wallabies on their end-of-season tour.

Sources have told The Australian Mortlock will not be continuing as captain, which will come as a major disappointment to him but certainly as no great surprise as he has not played since badly injuring a knee in the August 8 Tri-Nations loss to South Africa in Cape Town.

While recuperating from surgery he travelled to Japan to explore post-Test career options, a trip that sent a message to the Australian Rugby Union that Mortlock himself is beginning to doubt whether his form and fitness will last through to the 2011 World Cup.

While Mortlock has been told he is not out of contention, it is understood Elsom is to be anointed as the 76th Wallabies captain, although Berrick Barnes continues to hover as a genuine alternative, with Queensland Reds skipper James Horwill also rating some discussion as a left-field captaincy candidate.

Mortlock first captained the Wallabies to a commanding 43-18 victory over England in Melbourne in June 2006 and initially enjoyed a successful run, winning 11 of his first 15 Tests in charge - albeit losing the 2007 World Cup quarter-final to England when his last-gasp, long-range penalty goal attempt to win the match just faded wide.

But since Robbie Deans became coach last year, Mortlock's winning percentage has plunged from a peak of 73 per cent to just 46 per cent, with the Wallabies losing seven of their past 13 Tests under him.

Indeed, take out the two wins against 12th-ranked Italy, and his winning ratio free falls to just over 36 per cent, although overall Mortlock finishes with a respectable 17 wins from 28 Tests.

Only three other players in history have captained Australia in more Tests - George Gregan (59), John Eales (55) and Nick Farr-Jones (36).

Smith's captaincy record, four wins from seven Tests, is marginally worse although under him the Wallabies scored shock wins over the All Blacks and Springboks when both were ranked No1 in the world.

He also led a youthful Australian side to an 18-11 triumph over the Barbarians last December at Wembley, a match that started out in traditional free-flowing fashion and ended up a brutal contest as the Barbarians, boasting 11 members of the World Cup-winning Springboks side, bristled at the Wallabies' ferocious tackling.

But while it appears a foregone conclusion that Mortlock's four-year run as captain is over and that Smith, a reluctant skipper right from the moment he led a rookie Wallabies midweek side to a shock loss to the Ospreys in Wales in 2006, will not be burdened with those duties any longer, it is not entirely clear who will succeed them.

Elsom remains the raging hot favourite and it is understood he has been promised the job. But it may very well be that the quality that most stamps him as a potentially great leader - that he is entirely his own man - might not sit comfortably with some Australian rugby powerbrokers.

Barnes, who Deans yesterday confirmed will share the five-eighth duties with Matt Giteau on the tour, has not been ruled out as a captaincy contender, with ARU chief executive John O'Neill rumoured to be championing his cause.

Significantly, Giteau is not in the picture as a captaincy contender, which strongly reinforces rumours he is not enjoying his rugby under Deans.

Certainly if Giteau is not under consideration, it represents a stunning downgrading of his standing within the Wallabies over the past two seasons. Former Australia coach John Connolly revealed this week it had been a toss-up in his mind whether to give the World Cup captaincy to Mortlock or Giteau.

"In the end, it came down to the fact that Mortlock was the more experienced player but it could just as easily have gone to Giteau," Connolly said.

Whoever is named as captain will face a tough initiation as the Wallabies head to Tokyo for their October 31 showdown with the All Blacks needing a win to avoid a seventh consecutive Bledisloe Test defeat - the worst losing streak in trans-Tasman rugby since the game turned professional.

Then follows a daunting grand slam tour against England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales. All are powerful set-piece teams that will now - following the announcement that Nathan Sharpe will miss the tour to undergo shoulder surgery - fancy their chances of putting as much pressure on the Wallabies' lineout as on their scrum.
 

Cutter

Nicholas Shehadie (39)
I'm not sure I have seen anything from Elsom that marks him as a captain but, who knows, it could be the making of him. Does he have previous captaincy experience?

I would probably go left field and pick TPN with Moore to take over when they swap. Both are eloquent, seem sensible and are at the coalface.
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Elsom remains the raging hot favourite and it is understood he has been promised the job. But it may very well be that the quality that most stamps him as a potentially great leader - that he is entirely his own man - might not sit comfortably with some Australian rugby powerbrokers.

Why does this even have to be mentioned? FUCK the powerbrokers - the game isn't about them. When will this poisonous cycle of politicking in Australian Rugby end?
 

Biffo

Ken Catchpole (46)
NTA said:
Elsom remains the raging hot favourite and it is understood he has been promised the job. But it may very well be that the quality that most stamps him as a potentially great leader - that he is entirely his own man - might not sit comfortably with some Australian rugby powerbrokers.

Why does this even have to be mentioned? FUCK the powerbrokers - the game isn't about them. When will this poisonous cycle of politicking in Australian Rugby end?

Your point, please, if you have one
 

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
NTA's point is that the fact that Elsom is not an establishment man shouldn't need to be mentioned. I agree.


Rocky is definitely not an establishment man. He has always heard the different drummer. NFJ was never a company man either and he turned out OK. The Wallabies need a strong-minded man now and Rocky is that; what the power brokers would prefer is as irrelevant as tits on a bull.


I don't know that Rocky has been captain before but he's the kind of guy that players would follow out of the trenches just as the Tahs forwards follow Waugh.


I agree with Mortlock being displaced as captain and for more than one reason. Considering that he seemed to be almost a recluse not too many years ago Smith has conducted himself well as skipper, first for the Brumbies and later for the Wallabies; but somehow the Oz captaincy does not sit well with him.


And since the Wallabies captain should be a forward - or at very least a scrummie - to be close to the referee, Rocky is not only the best candidate, but arguably the only one.


I wouldn't pick Moore because he won't even be in the starting team if his lineout loss rate deteriorates any further and because his habit of killing the ball at the breakdown is being noticed too much. Sharpe is not touring has been out of favour when he was fit anyway. It has to be Rocky.


And if he is then one leg of this prediction will be up:


Lee Grant said:
Feel free to be be making fun of me a few years down the track but I'm pegging Fitzy now to be Wallabies captain after Rocky retires.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Fine if Rocky is actually fit and can train.

I bet he can't and is managing his injury
 
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Spook

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I don't think Mortlock or GG were favourites with power brokers either. NFJ was also mentioned.
 
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BillyWebb

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Elsom could well turn out to be an inspired choice - provided injuries don't intervene.
I remember when Martin Johnson was handed the captaincy (following Dayglo's bragging to a journo) he wasn't considered to be a great choice given his dodgy / roughouse on-field behaviour.

And see how that one turned out.
 

Biffo

Ken Catchpole (46)
Lee Grant said:
NTA's point is that the fact that Elsom is not an establishment man shouldn't need to be mentioned. I agree.

Rocky is definitely not an establishment man. He has always heard the different drummer. NFJ was never a company man either and he turned out OK. The Wallabies need a strong-minded man now and Rocky is that; what the power brokers would prefer is as irrelevant as tits on a bull.

And if he is then one leg of this prediction will be up:

Lee Grant said:
Feel free to be be making fun of me a few years down the track but I'm pegging Fitzy now to be Wallabies captain after Rocky retires.

Sorry, I misinterpreted NTA's post.

My memory tells me that Australia's major national sports teams have had some quite outstanding captains who were not establishment men. In cricket, there was some concern that Benaud was a rebel who therefore might not make a captain - the establishment candidate was Neil Harvey. Ian Chappell was never an establishment man. Tubby probably was. Waugh was not. Punter is probably not.

I expect Rocky to do a very good job. He is smart, understands the game deeply and has the great asset of universal respect from his team mates.

I did notice your prediction re Rocky and Fitzpatrick and was wondering when it would be re-examined.

I might ask do we really need a hooker with that surname as our next national captain? :)
 

spectator

Bob Davidson (42)
I hope having the Captaincy doesn't tone down Rocky's agression. Good for him, if passion is one of the requirements he has it in spades.
 

louie

Desmond Connor (43)
will be good for deans. Rocky is in the mold of a Richie M type of caption. Could be a master stroke
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Lee Grant said:
I wouldn't pick Moore because he won't even be in the starting team if his lineout loss rate deteriorates any further and because his habit of killing the ball at the breakdown is being noticed too much.

I'd just say he's too bloody lazy at the breakdown, and needs to work harder. I want the Aussie Captain to be someone who plays so hard he has to vomit before the post-match interview. I also want then to possess on-field presence, half a brain, and a bit of clarity and originality when running their off-field duties. Gregan's ongoing war with the media was a blight on the game, and Morty's post-match analysis was inversely proportional to the number of concussions he received.

I tell you who was a good analyst and skipper - Anton Oliver. One game after the Tahs had won in Dunedin (again) he very accurately summed up what went wrong and put out a few profound and cuttingly honest thoughts. None of this "all credit to them..." cliche bollocks. He took control of the interview and drove it into the Heart of Darkness thanks Marlow.
 

Scorz

Syd Malcolm (24)
He'd be one of the first names, if not the first name, on the team sheet imo. So he's the best choice if fit - because he leads by example.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Anton Oliver is definately an intelligent and articulate guy. I think he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way though.

Whichever way you look at it the captain still needs a semblence of political understanding.
 

Biffo

Ken Catchpole (46)
Scotty said:
Anton Oliver is definately an intelligent and articulate guy. I think he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way though.

Precisely because he articulated his intelligence.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Biffo said:
Scotty said:
Anton Oliver is definately an intelligent and articulate guy. I think he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way though.

Precisely because he articulated his intelligence.

But also because he didn't have the ability to temper his words/opinions. He seems to have strong opinions on almost everything, but that doesn't mean they are always correct, which is something that might have escaped him at times.
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
See my point about powerbrokers having too much say. Its been a blight on Aussie Rugby for a long time, and now its starting to seep into cuzzy bro land too...
 
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OZGOD

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No matter how Rocky goes as Kuptaan, I reckon they could've done better than not even tell Stirlo he wasn't skipper anymore. Apparently no one even told the poor bastard, though Blind Freddy could've figured out which way they were going to go.

Mixed feelings about Rocky as cappo - I love him as a player but we'll see if he can inspire men to follow him into battle.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Spiro writes an interesting piece on it

Why Stirling Mortlock lost the Wallaby captaincy


According to Wayne Smith, the chief rugby writer for The Australian, Mortlock was not told before the axe fell that he was going to be chopped off from the captaincy of the Wallabies on their 2009 Spring Tour. He had a good idea, though, that this execution was coming.

When the new leadership team for the Wallabies was fronting the media, he was at the movies with his kids.

Greg Growden, the chief rugby writer for The Sydney Morning Herald, has pointed out that Mortlock was “surprised” to lose the captaincy and concerned “about the official lines of communication.”

But Growden goes on to point out that the excuse used by Mortlock’s supporters that he was at odds with the ARU over Lote Tuqiri’s dismissal from the Wallabies does not hold up.

Mortlock, according to Growden (and he is correct in this), was given a full briefing by the ARU of the Tuqiri dismissal. Mortlock then “told officials he agreed with the ARU’s decision.”

The problem for Mortlock after this, though, is that he did not unequivocally express this view to the rugby media. Talking to journalists, Mortlock tended to concentrate on the negative effect the Tuqiri dismissal had (supposedly, my word, not his) on his fellow Wallabies.

Growden, from what I know about the raging politics of Australian rugby is – once again – spot on with his assessment that the overriding factor behind the decision of Robbie Deans was to change the culture of the Wallaby squad by de-powering and not selecting in a couple of cases “the disaffected few.”

This decision meant bringing in a new leadership of the team.

Mortlock was seen to be too closely aligned to the “disaffected few” and to some former senior Wallabies who are heavily involved with the players’ union, RUPA.

For reasons going back to the early days of professionalism, when John O’Neill tried to claw back some of the excessive payments the players had screwed out of the ARU, RUPA and some of the senior players began an obsessive quest to get rid of O’Neill.

The best way of describing this nasty situation is to describe O’Neill and the ARU as the government and RUPA as a belligerent opposition determined to sweep the government out of office and set itself and its mates up as the controllers of the game.

Complicating all of this has been a very bitter group of Queensland officials who did not take kindly to O’Neill’s initial efforts to get rid of people he thought were holding back his efforts to push Australian rugby out of the mess he had inherited when he first became the ARU’s CEO.

The 1999 Rugby World Cup victory crowned O’Neill’s first stint as the ARU’s CEO.

The victory was achieved by the officials (O’Neill), the coach (Rod Macqueen) and the captain of the Wallabies (John Eales) all working together for the common good of the Wallabies. I called this trio Australian rugby’s “holy trinity.”

On his second round as the ARU’s CEO, O’Neill is trying to replicate another “holy trinity.”

He chased and snared Deans after the NZRU rather foolishly rejected him in favour of the failed incumbent Graham Henry. Now, with Rocky Elsom, he has a captain who is aligned with the ARU (remember Elsom was given special permission to spend a season in Ireland), rather than with the RUPA elements.

Mortlock’s problems with holding on to the captaincy of the Wallabies were further complicated by his age (32), his increasing tendency to get injured and, therefore, the fears that he will not be around for the 2011 World Cup.

Mortlock compounded these fears by making a trip to Japan to sound out playing there while he was injured and missed several Tri-Nations Tests.

Deans’ fears about whether Mortlock will make it through to 2011 are no doubt reinforced by the memory of the 2003 RWC tournament when he was assistant coach for the All Blacks and Tana Umaga his form centre broke down. Umaga always insists that he could have played in the semi-final against Australia.

But the gamble to play him was not taken.

Leon MacDonald, who had never played centre in Test rugby, was selected instead. MacDonald missed a cut-out pass 10m out from the Wallaby tryline early on in the match.

The pass was intercepted and the opposing Wallaby centre raced away for the match-defining try.

That player, the great interceptor, was Stirling Mortlock. This was his greatest moment as a Wallaby and the ultimate reason why he later was made captain, in my opinion.

These sort of heroics are beyond Mortlock now.

He gives size to a small Wallaby backline, admittedly, and experience and strong defensive capabilities. However, he is now a match-saver rather than a match-winner.

The captain of the Wallabies has to be assured of his place in the team. Mortlock is reaching that awkward late stage in his career where his lack of pace and a series of injuries are limiting his effectiveness as a dynamic presence on the field.

He is still an asset for the Wallabies. But for how much longer?

By dropping him from the captaincy, Deans has really put Mortlock on notice that he is still wanted in the squad. However, if his form slips further, or if someone in the squad really impresses in the centres (Rob Horne, perhaps?), then the axe will fall on his Wallaby spot, too.

In the end, Mortlock lost the Wallaby captaincy because his position in the Wallaby run-on side is no longer a certainty as it has been for virtually all of his distinguished career.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2009/10/14/why-stirling-mortlock-lost-the-wallaby-captaincy/
 
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Spook

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The problem for Mortlock after this, though, is that he did not unequivocally express this view to the rugby media. Talking to journalists, Mortlock tended to concentrate on the negative effect the Tuqiri dismissal had (supposedly, my word, not his) on his fellow Wallabies.

I don't agree with it. A number of articles came out in the press that stated that Mortlock wasn't at all happy that RUPA (Tony Dempsey) associated him not supporting the Tuquiri sacking. Spiro is using conjecture to support conjecture.

Mortlocks's initial comments:

"There has been a little bit of uncertainty and that's what RUPA is seeking to do, as I think that is pretty much the mindset of most of the guys, just trying to get a bit more clarity and certainty on the issue," he said.

With Australia's opening Tri Nations Test of the season just over a week away, Mortlock reiterated that was the team's focus.

"From a playing group perspective with our coaching staff and management, we're very happy with the way we are progressing and everything that is going here," Mortlock said.

"Basically this a RUPA issue and RUPA are dealing with the ARU and that's pretty much what's going on.

Mortlock unhappy with RUPA over Tuquri comments:
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/sport/union/mortlock-tackles-players-union-over-tuqiri-comments-20090713-dhk0.html
 
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