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Invisible Wallabies?

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daz

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Ladies and Gents,

Saw this article on Rugby Heaven. A funny read, I suppose, but with a dark edge. There was a comment attached by a reader that I have copied and pasted here. While I applaud G&GR for flying the flag on behalf of the ARU (without being asked, one surmises), it never-the-less begs the question:

Are the fans also responsible for ARU marketing/spreading the good word....and are we being let down by the very organisation that needs us?

Invisible Wallabies in need of public profile
SADLY, NZ Telecom has abandoned the ''Touch, pause, don't engage'' advertising campaign that was to have asked New Zealanders to give up sex in order to help the All Blacks overcome their World Cup hoodoo. The correlation between copulating Kiwis and the performance anxiety suffered every four years by the fabled XV is not fully apparent. Still, on the whole, the thought of thousands of New Zealanders not performing the horizontal folk dance seems better than the alternative.

But before you perform your hilarious ''fush and chups'' accent, make predictable livestock references and ponder the desirability of a sudden drop in the New Zealand birth rate, ask yourself this: What would you give up in order to help the Wallabies win the World Cup?

I suspect, for most Australians, it is more likely to be quoits than coitus.

Such has been the decline in the arousal levels created by the national team - and the game itself - the idea of imposing some sort of national bonking ban here during the World Cup seems wholly unnecessary. Or, to put it crudely, why would you need to stop Australians having sex during the World Cup when so few give a $#@& about the Wallabies anyway? Well, not until they score.

Before you storm the laptop, this does not mean the Wallabies have dropped off the sporting radar. Naturally, they continue to enjoy robust support in their safe constituencies. Doubtless, the ARU could produce the customary rubbery figures - participation rates, general interest levels, sales of inflatable Wallabies - to prove rugby union is healthier than a marathon-running vegan. But look outside the game's comfy confines and there is no doubt the Wallabies have, in the past few years lost - to borrow an excruciating marketing term - ''global visibility''.

This week, Fox Sports replayed a Bledisloe Cup game from the mid-1980s. From the scrum to the commentary box, it featured an array of names that were familiar in households outside the game's traditional demographic. Campese, Farr-Jones, Lynagh, Gordan Bray. Glory days. A time when rugby was riding high in a golden era bookended by the celebrated 1984 grand-slam tour and the 1999 World Cup. You can pick your reason why the Wallabies are now less ingrained in the broader national consciousness. Lack of success, including now ritual Bledisloe Cup defeats, obviously. The self-imposed lull that beset the game generally after a series of rule changes. The resurgence of the NRL and the love affair with the Socceroos. Poor marketing, severe financial problems. Even a loss of identity in the professional age, where hyphenated grammar boys have been replaced by tattooed behemoths.

Flicking through smh.com.au's slide show of the Wallabies World Cup squad, there are an array of reasonably familiar names in a young, vibrant, yet physically vulnerable Wallabies team. Quade Cooper, James O'Connor, Berrick Barnes, Kurtley Beale et al have some renown - in Cooper's case, partly for reasons beyond the field. Yet they do not have the same resonance to the casual observer as the Wallabies of the recent past.

Naturally, it is unfair to compare a still callow team about to embark on its first major test with some of the greatest names in the game's history. Still, the low profile of the team underlines the importance of the task they face in October and in the years beyond. These Wallabies are charged with helping the franchise regain its sex appeal.

To that end, the extension of Robbie Deans's tenure seems a strange decision just before the World Cup. What might now be considered a strong show of faith in a coach developing a young squad will surely be reinterpreted as a rash and potentially costly contractual obligation if Australia's recent form against Samoa, rather than South Africa, is franked in New Zealand.

Still, you can see why the ARU hearties are taken by Deans. The Kiwi coach bears the enigmatic and strangely intimidating expression of the taciturn farmer gazing out at his crop. Is his mind occupied by weighty matters such as market prices and soil erosion? Or is he just staring into the distance?

Replacing out-of-form captain Rocky Elsom with James Horwill so close to the tournament might also be considered, in the political sense, brave. But Horwill seems the type of strong character to vindicate those who believe the captaincy should be always be given to the best leader, not necessarily the best player.

Little more than three weeks before their first World Cup game, even the experts seem unsure how this team will perform. The only certainty is that, should they make a bold run to the final, their ''visibility'' will suddenly improve. Then, as the Americans would say, all Australia will be rooting for the Wallabies.


http://www.theage.com.au/rugby-unio...lic-profile-20110819-1j27b.html#ixzz1VZmv1rnI


"The ARU's marketing department is not doing it's job. For example, the Australian Barbarians play on the Gold Coast next Friday night and will feature many of the Wallabies returning from injury. I can't find any details on the ARU website and haven't heard any promtion about it anywhere. Plus it's not on TV (free to air or subscription). I onlt found details on it off the Green and Gold Rugby website. Pathetic really."


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ChargerWA

Mark Loane (55)
Still, you can see why the ARU hearties are taken by Deans. The Kiwi coach bears the enigmatic and strangely intimidating expression of the taciturn farmer gazing out at his crop. Is his mind occupied by weighty matters such as market prices and soil erosion? Or is he just staring into the distance?

What an apt description, I have long felt Farmers just make it up as they go along too.

As for the article, name one area the ARU hasn't performed below par. I think the decline was natural after a period of success perhaps over inflated our expectations, but they just aren't getting any positive forward traction in a saturated market.

Then again, what would I know. I'm in WA. The ARU is only vaguely aware we even exist, and that's usually around the time the Force profit check arrives in the mail.
 
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daz

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there is no doubt the Wallabies have, in the past few years lost - to borrow an excruciating marketing term - ''global visibility''.


So our marketing is not "world class"?

I think the author put this in just for cyclo and Ruggo.... :)
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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Indeed, the Wallabies lack Global Obviousness, or indeed Pancontinental Ubiquity, not to mention a serious case of bad-assedness.
 
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Tireless Backrower

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Hinds is a very good journo - the ARU could offer to pay his salary as a replacement for Growden at the SMH.

His suggestion that the code's "hyphenated grammar boys" rule the roost is apt but for one thing: The only hyphen in the Wallabies - AA-C - went to a public high school. But that is a minor detail.

The brutal statistics lie within our very domain: the 2011 Sydney GPS thread on ggr has had 117,000 odd views - the 2012 has had 1,000+ and the Sydney GPS season only ended yesterday. By comparison the Shute shield for 2011 has 73,000 odd views. School rugby has 144 threads and 13,300 posts, club rugby 66 threads and 5,473 posts.

Rugby Union remains a predominantly private school based game in this country.

The reason is pretty simple: the ARU spends virtually no time or money trying to develop the junior game. The job of junior development is left to the schools - notwithstanding that, even for Joeys, that is not their primary function. The result is uneven competition within several competitions. This is the reason that we struggle for depth. Although Deans says that we now have depth we dont have NZ style depth because Union is a marginal game in Australia.

AFL apparently has an excellent ground at Blacktown that it developed with the NSWCA.

By way of example, why wouldn't the ARU put decent lights in at TG Millner,and fix the surface (say up to Joeys standard) and promote junior club rugby at that sort of (more) central location. How about Rat Park - from what I hear the Rats are broke and in danger of getting the boot from the leased facility. Some money down that end of town sure would help. Penrith?

Where is the planning? Its reliant on the schools!

From my knowledge of league followers and parents of juniors they are unaware that the average S15 player makes more money than the average league player. They still dont comprehend why Gasnier went to France.

God knows what the ARU spends the TV money on but it aint club juniors and until it does spend it on that we're stuffed.
 

liquor box

Peter Sullivan (51)
From my knowledge of league followers and parents of juniors they are unaware that the average S15 player makes more money than the average league player. They still dont comprehend why Gasnier went to France.

God knows what the ARU spends the TV money on but it aint club juniors and until it does spend it on that we're stuffed.
I might be wrong but doesn't every Junior Rugby contract include education?
 
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Tireless Backrower

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Tireless Backrower

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The article had me until he mentioned the "Dural boys" both of whom went to the archetypal private rugby school...

"''That is the issue,'' he said. ''What makes a boy choose playing rugby union over rugby league? Hopefully it's determined by good competitions, well-run clubs, and if Australia does well in this year's World Cup that will definitely help because when the Wallabies and Waratahs do well it is a lot easier."

This does not compute: the competition in the east and south is woeful and yet he cites the East as a source of players for the Tahs - name one!
 
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Worldcupnut

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Absolutely agree. Rugby will wither on the vine if money isn't spent on development now. Add this to the fact that traditional clubs can't rub two bob together and it procduces the image of a very top heavy organisation.
AFL is without peer, in Australia, for grassroots development and the growth of their "Brand" ( hate using that term ). To hesitate is to lose. The great thing Rugby has is the genuine international competition. True Tests that stir patriotic fervour. Kids are jumping out of their skins for an opportunity. Just look at the bios of many of the international players. A significant amount of them started their sporting life playing other codes. There is an obvious natural allure to rugby. Are the administrators just going to let the other codes do the work for them?
A golden opportunity was missed after the 2003 World Cup. Interest at an alltime high. What happens? Super Rugby is taken off free to air! Not even a highlights package. Great initiatives as The Western Force, ( which is fertile rugby territory ) will amount to nothing if not nutured properly.
 
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Jumpers

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Some very good thoughts but now I'd like to examine some interesting issues that could be of common interest on both sides of the ditch! A strong Wannabe team that is competitive right thru is a healthy sign and good for both countries!

Let me tell yous the Super rugby has its niche and I'm sorry it does drag on and on. Right now Kiwi sports teams participate in netball,
basketball and rugby league codes involving Wannabe competition. At the moment there is no nation-wide rugby comp and Wannabe players are mostly involved in the local club games, recovering from injury or just waitin for the next international to come along.

It speaks volumes that Kiwi players are very skilled, highly motivated and have a regular nation wide comp every year with the ITM/NPC.
games. It would be in my opinion to consider allowing a few Wannabe teams into the Kiwi scene which would obviously provide players an opportunity to play in a higher competitive playing level thus keeping the Wannabe game strong!

Can you imagine the prospects, interests and mileage in allowing such a prospect to happen? And the wierd thought of a Wannabe team challenging for the famed "Log of Wood"! A great idea BUT one which won't happen or never happen perhaps!!!
 

Bullrush

Geoff Shaw (53)
Some very good thoughts but now I'd like to examine some interesting issues that could be of common interest on both sides of the ditch! A strong Wannabe team that is competitive right thru is a healthy sign and good for both countries!

Let me tell yous the Super rugby has its niche and I'm sorry it does drag on and on. Right now Kiwi sports teams participate in netball,
basketball and rugby league codes involving Wannabe competition. At the moment there is no nation-wide rugby comp and Wannabe players are mostly involved in the local club games, recovering from injury or just waitin for the next international to come along.

It speaks volumes that Kiwi players are very skilled, highly motivated and have a regular nation wide comp every year with the ITM/NPC.
games. It would be in my opinion to consider allowing a few Wannabe teams into the Kiwi scene which would obviously provide players an opportunity to play in a higher competitive playing level thus keeping the Wannabe game strong!

Can you imagine the prospects, interests and mileage in allowing such a prospect to happen? And the wierd thought of a Wannabe team challenging for the famed "Log of Wood"! A great idea BUT one which won't happen or never happen perhaps!!!

There was a benefit to the competitions involved for bringing NZ teams into their comps. There really isn't much of a benefit to the ITM Cup to bring Aussie teams in. It's like the Super 15 without the Saffas and the best players from NZ and Aussie.
 
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gecko

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The article is mostly a pile of...

I didn't realise the Wallabies and rugby in this country went into an abyss after 1999. Here I thought we got our only 2 Trinations victories, our only lions win and continued a great Bledisloe streak. I also though the 2003 RWC final was the most watched football game in this country in history, now I learn the Wallabies of 1984 were far more known than those of 2003.

Earlier this year the Reds were the most watched event on pay tv in history, the Reds average was the highest of all games in Brisbane. Meanwhile Quade for all his perceived faults won Australia's greatest athlete and is reguarly talked about in NRL circles as a potential superstar. We've now got teams in Melbourne and Perth, but I'm now learning that the 80s was the high point for interest. A concrete measure of participation, crowds, viewership or something would be nice, rather than vague notions of franchise sex appeal.
 

Jnor

Peter Fenwicke (45)
Hinds may be able to string a sentence together but that doesn't mean anything he writes is based in fact/empirical research/somewhere in the real world.

I guess he has to come up with something every week
 
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