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How Experimental Law Variations have cut the Six Nations down to size

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...in a nutshell, this bloke reckons it's because of the free kick sanctions.

How Experimental Law Variations have cut the Six Nations down to size
By PETER JACKSON
Last updated at 10:41 PM on 24th November 2008
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As Europe?s national teams recoil from their obliteration by the Southern Hemisphere superpowers, a South African coach offers a revealing explanation for the widening gap.
Gary Gold, one of the chief architects of the Springboks? seismic destruction of England at Twickenham on Saturday, points to the dirtiest letters in the rugby lexicon ? ELVs ? for the hidden reason why the best of British, Irish and French have been given a fearful run-around.
The Bok club strike: Conrad Jantjes (front) and his teammates celebrate a try against devastated England at HQ

They have played 17 Tests against Australia, New Zealand and South Africa in the last 12 months and lost the lot, often being run off their feet in the process.
While many British coaches have wrung their hands and poured scorn at the emasculating influence of certain ELVs (Experimental Law Variations) on the traditional forward power game, Gold believes that one aspect of the changes has allowed the Springboks, All Blacks and Wallabies to run away with the game.

Nobody will bet against more of the same when a sobering month?s Test rugby finishes with England versus New Zealand at Twickenham and Wales versus Australia in Cardiff.
Rugby?s tendency to complicate the simplest issue makes it necessary to point out that there are ELVs, currently on trial in Europe, and then there are other ELVs, the hybrid version used south of the equator. The basic difference is that the laws under experimentation in Super 14 and Tri-Nations? Tests lead to more free-kicks and fewer penalties.
?We played under those ELVs for six months and the statistical analysis of all 169 matches in the Super 14 tells us that the ball is in play for an average of at least seven minutes longer than under the old laws the previous season,? said Gold, who helped establish London Irish as a Premiership force before he returned to his native Cape Town.
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With the ball in play for an average 41.5 minutes, rather than 34.5 minutes, coaches had to improve players? fitness.
?You learnt very quickly that if you didn?t adapt, you were going to be run off your feet,? said Gold. ?With a free-kick, it?s tap and go. We have a whole free-kick strategy in the Southern Hemisphere now because there are so many of them during any one game under our ELVs.
?You guys don?t have that because, more often than not, referees here give a penalty instead of a free-kick. So European teams can take a breather while they kick at goal or put it in the corner whereas with us, it?s tap and go all the time.
?As a result, we have set-plays off free-kicks to use in broken field. The ELVs, as they applied to our competition, made us realise we had to play every game at a higher tempo.
?I now think there is a tempo issue between the hemispheres but I?m very surprised as to what?s gone on between the hemispheres this month because this is the time when we should be tired at the end of our season and you should be fresh.
?We do bring a quicker tempo to the game because we have had to get fitter. That?s not to say that conditioning coaches are not good enough in Europe, it?s just that we have to put more energy into every game because the ball is in play for longer.?
Gold said South Africa had deliberately raised their tempo against England, concentrating on direct, confrontational rugby and targeting the younger players. They worked on getting extra bodies to the breakdown and recycling the ball quickly.
Target man: South Africa tried to exploit Cipriani's susceptibility to the charge-down
It worked beyond their wildest dreams although they also looked to exploit Danny Cipriani?s susceptibility to the charge-down.
?We did identify that during the week but to single Danny out is unfair,? Gold said. ?One on one, he actually makes his tackles. Defence is as much about the unit as an individual. Danny?s a rookie, the man inside him, Danny Care, is a rookie and the man outside him, Riki Flutey is also a rookie, at least in Test terms. In time, they will grow.?
On the broader front, Gold confessed to being surprised that the home teams have come up so far short so often this year against the big three, especially England last weekend. However, he needed no convincing that England have chosen the right man in Martin Johnson despite his lack of management experience.
?I think he will be brilliant for English rugby,? said Gold. ?He might not have got all his coaching badges but so much of his career has already been about creating a winning environment, keeping discipline and understanding the game.
?He?ll have a vision, he?ll know exactly where he wants to go and the players he is backing now will pay him back. But it could take as long as a couple of years.?
 
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Spook said:
...in a nutshell, this bloke reckons it's because of the free kick sanctions.
How Experimental Law Variations have cut the Six Nations down to size
By PETER JACKSON
Last updated at 10:41 PM on 24th November 2008
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As Europe?s national teams recoil from their obliteration by the Southern Hemisphere superpowers, a South African coach offers a revealing explanation for the widening gap.
Absolutely 100% correct and it would be a shame if we SH countries reverted to the new ELV's as laid down from August 1st this year.
I think it totally imperrative that we continue to trial and use a more expansive version of the ELV's and this will improve our wider ball running as well as overall match fitness.
Obviously we still have to scrummage and maul and these skills are being maintained if not improved upon.
If the NH unions don't see the light soon, that gap will only get wider.- not that there is anything wrong with that.
 

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John Eales (66)
Yeah whispers - thank goodness we are keeping the FK sanctions in the S14 - and better still - no numbers in lineouts in 2009.

Good article. Oz and NZ were always inclined to the faster tempo game but the SAfricans had a bit of trouble adapting in the S14 ELVs. But after the test match in JHB you knew they had turned the corner fully. They were sluggish on the EOYT, but turned in on for the test against the Poms - poor bastards.

A lot of NHers will now get on this bandwagon that there was nothing wrong with the power game and why should the SH nations be able to play a under a regime of laws that makes them better for playing against the NH teams under different laws? We will fall about laughing but they will take it seriously.

And although I know what he means about the death of the power game up there, you couldn't exactly accuse the 3N teams lacking power on the EOYTs - especially the Boks last weekend.

If this disparity in results causes the NH to accept the FK sanctions in 2009-10, our SH teams have done the sport a good service.
 
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All the better if we can still improve our set piece play and dominate in future. Nothing would be sweeter to have a wide game and dominate up front.
OOps, new pants needed.
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
The destruction of the "power game" is such a crock of shit. The Wallabies showed against England that its as important as ever. Had we pushed on for tries instead of taking easy 3s then it would have been a slaughter.
 

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
Agreed on that NTA.

I guess what the writer was talking about was that a power game, and nothing much else, used to be good enough to win, as the Pom teams did in recent years. (An exaggeration, but not by too much).

The 3N teams, including the Boks at Twickenham, have shown that power supplemented by reactive attack (nurtured by the S14 FK sanctions) plus good defence are compelling ingredients for the recipe of winning rugby now. The power plus Jonnie and defence recipe won't do these days.

Many of the European club teams have old style players no longer in the bloom of youth. Whereas before they were suitable for power rugby at a slower game rate, they are less suitable for the faster pace, and more minutes in play, of the ELVs.

Those guys are also having trouble this year with the IRB protocols which enjoin players to stay on feet and not thereby, or otherwise, kill the ball. This constraint on protecting the ball has led to more turnovers, requiring mobile reaction from players from both teams to take advantage of the turnover, or to deny advantage.

Thus plodders who were good at protecting the ball are now playing a mobile game they are not good at and nor are they helped by the need to shift around the park more because of the extra kicking we are seeing, partly because of the ELVs - but also partly because of the protocols.

Because the protocols, mentioned above, have reduced the surety of retaining the ball in the tackle, the number of 'risky' pick and drive carries are lessening in favour of hoofing the ball downfield. And the plodders were good at pick and drives.

So; the plodders have had a double or triple whammy against them.

In time these players will be replaced by more mobile players and they will start getting into their national teams.

England is having a particularly hard time in the transition to date and whilst one can't wish Martin Johnson too much good luck, he knows that his next generation of players are superb and will play under any protocols or new laws as good as anyone team here in the SH.

But that generational change will have to come at the club level first and they will have to play under the FK regime.

But I digress.
 
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Lee Grant said:
But that generational change will have to come at the club level first and they will have to play under the FK regime.
But I digress.

Lee, great points but the FK options in the ELV's aren't a done deal yet.
The 3N and S14 are still trialling but worldwide they are not law - yet, so it is going to be a while before they adapt. There is some speculation that elite European competition may trial the FK sanctions but they have to agree which isn't normally a NH trait.
 

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Simon Poidevin (60)
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rugbywhisperer said:
Lee Grant said:
But that generational change will have to come at the club level first and they will have to play under the FK regime.
Lee, great points but the FK options in the ELV's aren't a done deal yet.
The 3N and S14 are still trialling but worldwide they are not law - yet, so it is going to be a while before they adapt. There is some speculation that elite European competition may trial the FK sanctions but they have to agree which isn't normally a NH trait.

Weren't the FK sanctions being trialled in the second tier of the French competition? That's Europe's definition of an "elite European competition". :nta: :nta: :nta:
 
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Lindommer said:
rugbywhisperer said:
Lee Grant said:
But that generational change will have to come at the club level first and they will have to play under the FK regime.
Lee, great points but the FK options in the ELV's aren't a done deal yet.
The 3N and S14 are still trialling but worldwide they are not law - yet, so it is going to be a while before they adapt. There is some speculation that elite European competition may trial the FK sanctions but they have to agree which isn't normally a NH trait.

Weren't the FK sanctions were being trialled in the second tier of the French competition? That's Europe's definition of an "elite European competition". :nta: :nta: :nta:
The only indication we had was 'look for elite NH competition trailling' WRT FK sanctions. Who is actually trialling we don't know for sure unless something is published on the matter and I haven't seen anything - yet.
I would suggest after the 3N tours are over some NH competitions mught have a serious rethink - if they are smart.
 

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Lee, great points but the FK options in the ELV's aren't a done deal yet.

I know that, but if the SH teams repeat the dose 12 months from now because they had a perceived advantage from yet another year of the FK regime and they don't have it over there, the NH alickadoos will be howling for something.

Either the IRB will have to withdraw approval for SANZAR to use the FK sanctions, or they will have to approve them for a world-wide trial, or we will keep beating the NH teams because of our advantage - if it is real.

And by that time the NH alickadoos will be getting very nervous about the 2011 RWC less than 2 years away and the momentum that the SH teams will be getting.



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I would suggest after the 3N tours are over some NH competitions mught have a serious rethink - if they are smart.

Have just seen this and agree - and it's more or less what I just said but will leave it all in anyway.
 
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I actually don't think they are sart enough to adopt the laws.
There history shows that for them to imrove against us (3N) they must bring us back to their level so I sort of expect they will pressure the IRB to withdar the FK sanctions to SANZAR after next year's EOYT where I would expect a bigger dose of what happened this year.
 

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I wouldn't write them off for all time. Some of the experienced current players won't be able to adapt but their young guns - the U20 players this year and youngsters a year or two older who come on off the bench for their clubs now are no mugs.

When the unsuitable current players contracts expire we will see them replaced by players of different ilk - ones who can play a smart mobile game.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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Lee Grant said:
I wouldn't write them off for all time. Some of the experienced current players won't be able to adapt but their young guns - the U20 players this year and youngsters a year or two older who come on off the bench for their clubs now are no mugs.

When the unsuitable current players contracts expire we will see them replaced by players of different ilk - ones who can play a smart mobile game.

unless we get a 5th team and need the player numbers ;)
 
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Noddy said:
Lee Grant said:
I wouldn't write them off for all time. Some of the experienced current players won't be able to adapt but their young guns - the U20 players this year and youngsters a year or two older who come on off the bench for their clubs now are no mugs.
When the unsuitable current players contracts expire we will see them replaced by players of different ilk - ones who can play a smart mobile game.
unless we get a 5th team and need the player numbers ;)

I think Lee was referring to the unsustainable Dinosaurs of the NH player group.
 

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
I thought I was too but I could be wrong.

What's that dear? It's Wednesday today? What happened to Tuesday? We had that yesterday? Bugger I missed it.

What was I saying now? What was the thought I thought I had? Yeah I was probably wrong.

Where's my blue pill dear? That's for Friday? OK I'll take it tomorrow then.
 

Thomond78

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Gentlemen, let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

If James Hook had a brain, Wales would have beaten the Bokke. Scotland damn near did, and they're gash. If France had a kicker who could have landed one in two kicks, they'd have beaten you. You were haunted to beat Italy.

Yet again, you're thinking England = NH. Well, it doesn't. England are in free-fall, again. But that's the main feature. We're recovering from the Coodercide. This time last year, let's remember, two you had three NH-based teams in the RWC semis. Things come and go.

But on FKAGG, don't fool yourselves. It's unpopular everywhere. The 6N don't like it; not just the blazers, btw, but the general playing public who ordered the RFU and WRU to vote against it. The French playing public don't want it. The Argentinians loathe it. SA have turned against it. And world rugby got a chance to vote on it back in May last, and decided they didn't like it. Nothing they've seen this year is going to turn them back towards it.

You might love it, gentlemen; but this is a case where no matter how loudly you proclaim that everyone else is out of step but you, the democratic vote of world rugby on FKAGG so far is; no thanks.
 
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Thomond78 said:
Gentlemen, let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

If James Hook had a brain, Wales would have beaten the Bokke. Scotland damn near did, and they're gash. If France had a kicker who could have landed one in two kicks, they'd have beaten you. You were haunted to beat Italy.

Yet again, you're thinking England = NH. Well, it doesn't. England are in free-fall, again. But that's the main feature. We're recovering from the Coodercide. This time last year, let's remember, two you had three NH-based teams in the RWC semis. Things come and go.

But on FKAGG, don't fool yourselves. It's unpopular everywhere. The 6N don't like it; not just the blazers, btw, but the general playing public who ordered the RFU and WRU to vote against it. The French playing public don't want it. The Argentinians loathe it. SA have turned against it. And world rugby got a chance to vote on it back in May last, and decided they didn't like it. Nothing they've seen this year is going to turn them back towards it.

You might love it, gentlemen; but this is a case where no matter how loudly you proclaim that everyone else is out of step but you, the democratic vote of world rugby on FKAGG so far is; no thanks.

That's suites us just fine. We will keep 'experimenting' with it, our players grow stronger and one day you might wake up and see that the 3N / SANZAR has really left you all behind.
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Generally speaking Thomond - how many of the paying rugby public in the NH are actually watching enough S14 in order to form an opinion? :nta:
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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Thommo, I think the equator on your globe might be a bit wonky. Can you tell me the third NH based side in the RWC semis?
 
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It's a NH thing, we obviously just don't understand. Hence the mess they are either in or soon will be.
Sorry chaps, it's not even worth commenting on - forgive me.
 
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