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Graham Henry - making life easy for Hansen

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Chilla Wilson (44)
It seems to me that Henry is really gunning for that England head coaching role.
 

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David Wilson (68)
I hardly think he would have to try for very hard for England job if he wanted it (which apparently he doesn't), as I heard they sounded him out about doing it a few months back. If you read what he says, it's hardly anything new, especially to anyone who has ever listened to what Henry has said over last few years.
 

disco

Chilla Wilson (44)
There is nothing in the article which says he's not interested in the job. Is there other stories or interviews where Henry has come out & said that coaching England is definitely not an option?
 
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He might coach these lot again
 

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Peter Fenwicke (45)
Henry said after the WC that he was interested in being involved with a 6Ns team for a year or two and heavily hinted that England was his first perference. But at the same time he said he had commitments to return to NZ. The next head coach England apoint would expected to take them through the next WC. Henry still could be involved but maybe not as head coach.

But the RFU have their own particular methods of picking coaches that often defy logic. I wouldn't say if Henry came out and said he wanted it he'd be a shoe-in simply because it wouldn't be the first time England had turned down a WC winning coach who made their interest in the role very clear and very public.

On his comments, I never really got why coaches suddenly go from being good coaches to some kind of Masiah after winning a WC. To win the WC takes a good coach and a great group of players, although France almost did it without the 1st of those 2.

If France had found 3 more points in that final Henry would have been labelled a clown and no one would be listening to him now. Henry is a great coach and NZ deserved to win the WC but I don't think it means he knows everything about rugby. He's not Lee Grant after all.

The same happened with Clive Woodward after 2003, he was seen as some kind of demigod guru and we all know how well that worked out for the lions.

Partly it's not his fault as a WC winning coach he's going to be asked for his opinion but that's all it is. I don't believe for all England wasted talent that Henry could have won the WC with the players available to England at the WC.

In summary he's a great coach but everything he says shouldn't be taken as gospel.
 

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Trevor Allan (34)
On his comments, I never really got why coaches suddenly go from being good coaches to some kind of Masiah after winning a WC. To win the WC takes a good coach and a great group of players, although France almost did it without the 1st of those 2.

If France had found 3 more points in that final Henry would have been labelled a clown and no one would be listening to him now. Henry is a great coach and NZ deserved to win the WC but I don't think it means he knows everything about rugby. He's not Lee Grant after all.

The same happened with Clive Woodward after 2003, he was seen as some kind of demigod guru and we all know how well that worked out for the lions.

Partly it's not his fault as a WC winning coach he's going to be asked for his opinion but that's all it is. I don't believe for all England wasted talent that Henry could have won the WC with the players available to England at the WC.

In summary he's a great coach but everything he says shouldn't be taken as gospel.

Been saying the same thing for years about Jake White after his 3 wins in a row vs fiji, argentina & england.

I would call Woodward's methods a game changer with his attention to detail & I would say White is a political master to survive as long as he did & get the results he did. I also found his comments refreshing and appealing during the 2011 WC which opened me up to him.

Regarding Henry, I do think though that Henry's track record of teams coached and results, does qualify him as a great coach of the game through many era's & if you look at his points here, how many do you honestly disagree with? The world champs of wasting talent is one step too far in my opinion, but really, how inaccurate is that?

Of the last 20 years, who are the really great coaches to have been about? I think Henry definitely qualifies, MacQueen as well. Many in NH will argue Gatland & Kidney definitely stakes a claim as well.
 
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Woodward started out the same as White. He had a team to build and was given time just like White were. The end results of both was a world cup winning side.
 

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George Gregan (70)
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I thought it was an interesting piece philosophically

Here is the a fuller version I posted in the 6 nations thread

England has a backline, but they will never fulfill their potential unless the team can win quick ball. This needs a total change of policy for the Six Nations. England must go to Murrayfield and stick it to the opposition. They have to smash the Scottish forwards past the ball instead of conservatively stopping at the tackled player in order to secure possession.

We want quick ball in New Zealand and so we concentrate on dominating the space beyond the ball carrier. We want our supporting players to get under the opposition and to move them backwards. We flood past the ball to create good possession for our strike runners.

At national level and at club level English teams are far too worried about securing possession. They are obsessed with sealing off the ball carrier. The English teams are paranoid that an opponent might steal the ball and so everyone jams on the brakes and seals off possession. It is fearful and often illegal.

Okay, so the opposition can’t get at the ball, but there is no dynamic forward momentum and nobody is being shifted out of the defensive line. No wonder England had trouble scoring tries against the better teams at the World Cup.

A country with over a million players should be the best team in the world and England’s potential in the backs is as good as it has ever been. Ben Foden’s a good player, Chris Ashton is a handful and Delon Armitage has always impressed me. But how frustrated those players must get in a white shirt. England has top drawer attacking players and they are seldom used.

Ben Youngs can also break teams up. Charlie Hodgson is a good navigator and made his mark when he came to New Zealand with the Lions in 2005. Manu Tuilagi is green but when he comes back from injury, he will prove himself to be a very good footballer. He has that explosiveness. It sometimes seems that England are World Champions at wasting talent.

This has to reflect club policy because English conservatism around the tackle is an attitude that appears to be ingrained in most of the players. Saracens are England’s leading qualifiers in the Heineken Cup but few expect them to win the competition with a game that is as petrified as England’s efforts at the World Cup.

In 2003 an Australian paper ignorantly taunted Jonny Wilkinson’s England with the headline “Is that all you’ve got.” England proved in the lead-up to that tournament that they could play rugby in many different ways. That legacy seems to have died.

The England winning World Cup team had players like Martin Johnson and Richard Hill who were expert at cleaning out opponents beyond the ball. What has happened since? England and the English clubs play a game based on fear and a generation of promising backs are dying on their feet.
That has to change.

Good analysis I reckon
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
didnt England spend 25m lbs for the 2003 campaign?
and for all woodwards method - they bloody nearly lost to a team coached by a bloke no one in Australia ranks......
 
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He was a great manager but not a great coach Ben Cohen said so himself
 
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