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France, The Power and Money but still no Glory

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KevinO

Geoff Shaw (53)
We all know French clubs can afford to buy who they want and their is nothing any other Nation or club can do about it, reading today that they have signed Leinster Fly Half on a 2 year deal worth 2 Million just seems a bit crazy. Is it really helping our game, I don't think it's helping the French side personally with their player development. They have lost that flair I use to love to watch.

Sexton stuns Leinster as he quits for €2m deal in France

THE IRFU has admitted it couldn't afford to keep Jonny Sexton as he stunned Leinster rugby today by signing a two-year deal worth up to €2m with French side Racing Metro.


Ireland’s most prized player had been rumoured to be in talks with Paris club for weeks but the deal had looked unlikely.
However, it was confirmed this afternoon that the 27-year-old outhalf had accepted the enormous offer, which will make him the best-paid player in the game. Sexton will leaveLeinster at the end of the season, when he is out of contract.

The IRFU today admitted it could not match the financial incentives offered by Racing and was unable to keep Sexton in Ireland.
IRFU chief executive Philip Browne said: "While we remained in the fight right up until the last possible moment to keep Jonny in Ireland with a very strong offer, ultimately, following negotiations with the player's agent, we had no option but to take the decision that it would not be in the best interest of Irish rugby to chase the reported financial incentives being offered.

"The IRFU has made a commitment to, and been largely successful in, keeping as many Irish players as possible playing full time in Ireland. However, we have always recognised that some of our players will be targeted by overseas clubs with offers which, quite simply, are not within our orbit.


"We are very disappointed, as we know the Irish rugby public will be, that Jonny will not be playing his rugby full time in Ireland from next season. Jonny is a major talent and his full-time presence in Ireland will be missed, particularly by Leinster.
"We wish Jonny continued success with his career and he will receive all the support he needs over the next number of weeks in what we know was a very difficult decision for him.


"While Jonny has made the decision to move on to a new club, the IRFU is fully committed, together with the provinces, to maintaining its programme of nurturing and retaining Irish rugby talent. We feel that the benefits of the careful and considered management of those players will allow us to maintain this policy."
Leinster coach Joe Schmidt said, "Naturally, I'm disappointed. I've really enjoyed Jonny's input over the last few years and he has added tremendous value to the Leinster environment both on and off the field. The offer he has received is exceptional, even by French standards, but I know that it was still a tough decision for him."

Sexton has won 34 caps and is a firm favourite to be the British and Irish Lions Test fly-half against Australia later this year.

He also played a key role in Leinster winning three European titles in the last four seasons, starring when they won finals against Leicester, Northampton and Ulster.

Sexton’s departure is a huge blow for Leinster, but will not affect his career with Ireland as he will still be available to the national team.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rug...s-he-quits-for-2m-deal-in-france-3364809.html
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Over there, the clubs have so much power and really only care about themselves they don't have the national interests at heart so they're not really interested in local player development.
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
I was surprised to see that Racing Metro have a large store, catering for cradle to grave fans, in the heart of Paris - Bde St Germain.
There must be some money in the game there.
 

It is what it is

John Solomon (38)
Over there, the clubs have so much power and really only care about themselves they don't have the national interests at heart so they're not really interested in local player development.
It's a business first, sport comes second.
What would you be doing if appointed CEO of one of these large powerful clubs?
It's a global market for rugby players, just like it is for many businesses looking for the best employees.
Just interested - what would 'having the national interests at heart' look like for a French club like Racing Metro?
They do also pay some huge money for French national team players.
Do you know anything about development academies at various French Clubs?
 

KevinO

Geoff Shaw (53)
$2 million euro hey? Imagine what a good flyhalf could make.
Have to disagree with you, Sexton may not be the best fly half at international level. He is the best at European level which is what Racing is looking for. It's just crazy how they can pay a player a million a year when Australian Clubs can only spend between 4 and 5 million for there entire 30 man squads, it's surely going to end up effecting the ARU sooner than later.

Ireland have been pretty lucky with holding onto players in the past, retirement fund from Irish rugby giving halve there tax back if they play their whole career in Ireland, but with offers like that no body can say no.

French rugby is winning and losing though, since they started spending all the money they have lost the passion on the field.
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Yeah rubbish comment, Sexton is the best 10 in the NH atm and will be the Lions 10. Freddie was really good in the November Tests but he's just arrived back.
 

KevinO

Geoff Shaw (53)
Yeah rubbish comment, Sexton is the best 10 in the NH atm and will be the Lions 10. Freddie was really good in the November Tests but he's just arrived back.
And all of that on his reputation from Leinster, he has never converted that form over to Ireland. I know his a shoe in for the Lions 10 jersey but that's a reflection of how week the Lions 10 is going to be.

I would love to see him play his best for Ireland, it just has not happened yet.
 

Bardon

Peter Fenwicke (45)
On Sexton if people are knocking him are doing so on international form then fair enough. But on club form there's no one to touch Sexton in the NH and I'd only put Can Carter above him over the last few years with Sexton ahead for last season as Carter wasn't at his best through the S15 season.

On Racing and the other French clubs, for them the Top14 is most important and it doesn't matter where the players come from if it gives them a better chance to win it or make the finals. This season in the Heineken is probably the first where we've seen their spending power really having an impact.

As a consequence the dept in France has suffered but those that have made the breakthrough such as Fofana and Fickou have been real quality. France will probably be more of a boom and bust team similar to Ireland and Wales in coming years due to this.

The biggest danger I see though is the power of club v union especially as regionally and globally we're a sport that has a hell of a lot more development to do. The struggle between the interests of these big clubs and the need to expand the game in Tier 2 & 3 countries is going to be a major issue over the next few years. Especially with regard to the discussions for the possible expansion of Super Rugby and the desire of the French and English club to see Heineken Cup reduced in scope.
 

wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
I was surprised to see that Racing Metro have a large store, catering for cradle to grave fans, in the heart of Paris - Bde St Germain.
There must be some money in the game there.


From what I can gather, all the clubs are owned by very rich men, who are happy to throw millions of euros around at the drop of a chapeau. Not sure that they need to make money out of the game, they have already made it.
 
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local councils in France also have a longstanding tradition of investing heavily into their local sporting teams, rugby union included....
 

Italophile

Alfred Walker (16)
Latest reports have Racing Metro sources saying they haven't signed Sexton, that he was too expensive. We shall have to await further developments.
 

Italophile

Alfred Walker (16)
The Sexton-RM deal now confirmed, including increased provision for him to train with the Ireland squad.
 

Dan54

David Wilson (68)
I was watching a Heineken Cup game last week where the commentators said that Racing Metro owner had a 20 mill Euro budget for the club.
 

sudrugby

Watty Friend (18)
Over there, the clubs have so much power and really only care about themselves they don't have the national interests at heart so they're not really interested in local player development.

It is exactly as you said... French clubs don't care about the National Team. French clubs are ruled by the LNR which is at war against the FFR. But it might change soon once Serge Blanco will be in charge of both.

Racing Metro (the team I support) is owned by Jacky Lorenzetti who used to be the founder of Foncia (a big real estate agency) before he sold it to the second french banking group. His wealth is around 100M€ without considering the stakes he still have in Foncia.
Sexton is not the only one big name who might sign at Racing Metro next year. There is also Jamie Roberts, Brian Mujati, Soane Tonga'hua, Dan Lydiate (not sure anymore), Juandré Kruger and some young French players. We need such players to be able to win the top 14 and compete against Toulon, Toulouse and Clermont!
The other issue is that Lorenzetti wants to build a 40000 places stadium close to Paris and to be able to do so, he needs support from lots of different people. And if the team doesn't win, he won't get any credibility. That is why I guess he is spending that much money to reach the top quite fast.
 

Sidbarret

Fred Wood (13)
I don't mean to come across as an arrogant SH rugby fan, but am I the only one who is massively underwhelmed by the quality of the Top 14.

The big clubs seem to be able to sign whatever players they want and I will admit that team sheets look impressive, but the games i've seen have generally been played at walking pace. Also, Francois Steyn returned to SA about 10kgs overweight and looking at some of the other players around, that look to be the norm.
 

KevinO

Geoff Shaw (53)
I don't mean to come across as an arrogant SH rugby fan, but am I the only one who is massively underwhelmed by the quality of the Top 14.

The big clubs seem to be able to sign whatever players they want and I will admit that team sheets look impressive, but the games i've seen have generally been played at walking pace. Also, Francois Steyn returned to SA about 10kgs overweight and looking at some of the other players around, that look to be the norm.

I agree, I watch the French rugby and find they don't really play as a team. Look at some of the teams where they have a match day squad of 23 internationals and they don't dominate at all.
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
In the past maybe but it looks like changing, look at Toulon, Clermont and Montpellier's success in the Heineken this year. Toulouse are the one who look disjointed however.
 

Italophile

Alfred Walker (16)
I was watching a Heineken Cup game last week where the commentators said that Racing Metro owner had a 20 mill Euro budget for the club.

That's more or less an annual turnover. Stade's figure was said to be double that. The salary cap - for what it's worth - is around $OZ10m.
 
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