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Rocky Elsom (76)
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IN a major setback to the Wallabies' World Cup chances and Queensland's hopes of a revival, Test forward Hugh McMeniman is poised to accept a lucrative offer from a Japanese club.

McMeniman was one of the few Reds to play consistently well in the Super 14, before sustaining a series-ending ankle injury, and had been pencilled in for a second-row spot in the Wallabies team alongside fellow Queenslander James Horwill.

The abrasive McMeniman, who has played 21 Tests since his debut against Samoa in 2005, was a key component in Wallabies coach Robbie Deans' plans for the 2011 World Cup in New Zealand thanks to his ability to play both lock and blindside flanker.

But McMeniman is keen to continue his career in Japan where he can command a much bigger salary. McMeniman's history of injuries is also believed to have played a part in his decision to quit Australia.

There is a strong rumour Wallabies and Reds outside back Digby Ioane will go to Japan as well. If McMeniman and Ioane do go, it does not necessarily mean they have played their last Tests for the Wallabies.

The Wallabies have a history of selecting overseas-bound players in the domestic Test season.

McMeniman is hoping to recover from his ankle injury in four months, which means he would be available for the Tri-Nations Tests against the Springboks in Brisbane and the All Blacks in Wellington.

He is also keen to play against the All Blacks in the Bledisloe Cup Test in Tokyo in October and be a part of the Wallabies' first grand slam tour of Britain and Ireland in 25 years.

The departure of McMeniman and Ioane could help the Reds recruit Wallabies blindside flanker Rocky Elsom, who is returning to Australia after a stint with Irish province Leinster.

Seriously, I just can't understand this decision process. Perhaps the Reds should be disbanded? If we are driving talented young players away from the game in this country, its not a good sign.

I really can't watch league or AFL. They bore me. What the hell am I meant to watch now? I'll have to passive observer.
 

Lindommer

Simon Poidevin (60)
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Noddy said:
I really can't watch league or AFL. They bore me. What the hell am I meant to watch now?

The Tahs. ;D ;D ;D

Seriously, Noddy, something has to be done about the cancer at the core of Queensland rugby. To lose so many talented youngsters the last five years is criminal neglect. Why years ago (sorry to harp on), mature rugby players were queueing up to move to Queensland. Are there too many good-time boys on the QRU executive? Why aren't wealthy Queenslanders such as Clive Palmer investing in rugby?

With your tribe of young 'uns you may have to survive on a diet of junior, school and club rugby for the next 20 years. I've done it for the last 12 years, it's very satisfying and quite enjoyable to rub shoulders with the grassroots of the game.
 
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Red Beard

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You guys must be gutted MMM doesnt want a long Wallaby test career. Maybe he knows his body wont last much longer at that level.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Yep, it certainly is. And at the very least we can expect Elsom to play a whole season. MMM is following the Heenan route, and it might be the only way he can continue to make a living out of rugby.

If we lose Ioane that will be a much bigger blow to both the Reds and Wallabies.
 

louie

Desmond Connor (43)
the ARU needs to step in a help with dig staying. somehow. i dunno.
mmm can go. rocky is a lot better.
there might be more to ankle then first thought
 

Scarfman

Knitter of the Scarf
So, MMM's idea is to probably to play in Japan until 2011, come back for the last few games before the RWC and hope to make it back in? Or does he seriously not give a fuck about anything but money?
 

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
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Fuck him. It's not like he was a walk up start for the Wallabies anyway, don't know who wrote the article but he certainly hasn't been 'pencilled in' for a 2nd row spot in my side. Yeah he's a good player but nowhere near the lynchpin of the forward pack. Its more of a blow for the Reds than the Wallabies.

Digby is much more cutting though. I suppose this season must have driven his price up so much overseas that he thinks he may never get a better deal. Obviously doesn't place much pride in the gold jersey.
 
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formeropenside

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ok, if Aust can't keep a player like MMM (and perhaps Diggers) then how the hell is there talent for a 5th team (well for a 4th actually, but leave that to one side).

It appears we need more money in Aust rugby; thats the long and short of it.
 
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Red Beard

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formeropenside said:
ok, if Aust can't keep a player like MMM (and perhaps Diggers) then how the hell is there talent for a 5th team (well for a 4th actually, but leave that to one side).

It appears we need more money in Aust rugby; thats the long and short of it.
Exactly, cant afford to lose any of these guys. Talk of a 5th team is crazy without them unless the overall standard of the comp is to be compromised.
 

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Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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Scotty said:
Yep, it certainly is. And at the very least we can expect Elsom to play a whole season. MMM is following the Heenan route, and it might be the only way he can continue to make a living out of rugby.

If we lose Ioane that will be a much bigger blow to both the Reds and Wallabies.

Exactly. I'm sorry Reds supporters but MMM, while being a good player, was an overhyped injury magnet. He may well have made a pretty good decision there. Makes a bit of space for a few kimlins etc to have a squad spot without being held out by an inevitable injury to MMM

Iaone, I'm hoping, is just posturing for negotiations. He's the next Wallaby 13 - look at our poll!
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Well, a few people have happily taken shots at Tahs for leaving in search of greener fields, so let me just say: Fuck Hugh, McMinimal. You're not anywhere near a starting 2nd row spot in a thinking man's team - I'd have Mumm ahead of you at either 6 or lock.
 
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Spook

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3M is plagued by injuries. Ioane is the one the ARU should throw money at to keep.
 
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Spook

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3M isn't going:

Hugh McMeniman rules out Japan - for nowFont Size: Decrease Increase Print Page: Print Wayne Smith | May 07, 2009
Article from: The Australian
WALLABIES utility Hugh McMeniman isn't intending to say "sayonara" to Australian rugby any time soon, preferring to stay in Queensland to help with the Reds' revival than to cut short his Test career by taking a big-money offer in Japan.

While not ruling out the possibility that the money available in Japan might yet prove irresistible, the blindside flanker admitted yesterday his "gut feeling" was he would remain with Queensland in the build-up to the 2011 World Cup.

"I'd like to stay on with the young group of boys there," said McMeniman, 25, shortly after being released from hospital after ankle surgery.

"There is a feeling that next year we'll be ready to have a real good go at it. Besides, I love Queensland. It's my home state and I wouldn't play Super 14 anywhere else. I'd like to stay on with the Reds and get my 50 caps -- and then some."

Had McMeniman not been blighted by injury since 2006, he would have reached the 50-cap milestone last year. But in his five years with the Reds, he has managed only 29 of 61 games, barely 2 1/2 full seasons.

He would not be the first Queensland and Australian backrower forced by injuries to take a Japanese contract, namely Daniel Heenan.

However, McMeniman insisted he had given no thought to taking the big money while still fit enough to command it. "No, I've not thought of it like that," he said.

If anything sways him to go to Japan, it might be his close friendship with Wallabies team-mate Digby Ioane, who also is coming off contract with the Reds.

Ioane could not be contacted yesterday but Queensland officials are quietly confident both he and McMeniman will recommit to the Reds.

McMeniman still has not given up hope of taking part in this year's Tri-Nations series even though he has been told it will be another eight weeks before he can resume running.

He and Ioane, who is nursing a damaged shoulder, are among a host of injured Reds stars who will miss tomorrow night's match against the Crusaders in Christchurch.

Ioane was ruled out early yesterday, so too captain James Horwill and as the day wore on, playmaker Berrick Barnes and fullback Mark McLinden also were stood down from the match.

And then, well into the night, openside flanker Putasi Luafutu joined them on the sideline when it became evident at training his broken hand would place him at too much of a disadvantage at the best of times, let alone going up against Richie McCaw.

Coach Phil Mooney will wait until tomorrow's captain's run before deciding whether to entrust the No7 jersey to blindside specialist Scott Higginbotham or to exciting young debutant Andrew Shaw, the son of former Wallabies captain Tony Shaw.

Ironically, Shaw Super Rugby barely a fortnight ago advocated not paying the Reds if they lose.

Never in his darkest moments would Mooney have envisaged putting on to the field anything like the backline he has named to meet the defending champions, with Quade Cooper shunted to fullback, Rod Davies, Anthony Fainga'a, Charlie Fetoai and Brando Va'aulu forming the three-quarter line and Ben Lucas pairing with Brendon McKibbin in the halves.

With Higginbotham required at openside or again relegated to the bench, Ezra Taylor, the starting number eight in the past three matches, has been switched to blindside flanker, with Leroy Houston returning from the wilderness to resume duties at the back of the scrum.

But even with the Reds having to cobble together a side, recruiting Australian under-20 centre Ben Tapuai from the Gold Coast Breakers and reactivating Brothers' former Australian sevens representative Ant Sauer four years after he earned his solitary Queensland cap against New Zealand A, McMeniman still believes there is sufficient talent in the squad to trouble the Super 14 champions.

"If we play to our patterns, we're in this game," he said. "But everyone has got to buy into it. If even one person doesn't bind to that, the whole thing can fall apart."
 

disco

Chilla Wilson (44)
McMeniman still has not given up hope of taking part in this year's Tri-Nations series even though he has been told it will be another eight weeks before he can resume running.
That's better than the 6months predicted.
 

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
It is well that 3M is not going immediately. If he were, he would have been missed by both the Reds and Oz. It is all very well to say that the return of Elsom makes a departure of 3M less critical, but we can't afford to lose forwards with a high work like his from our depth.

Mind you, those remarks are coloured by the relative generous span of time since 3M's last long term injury. One knew, somehow, that it was too good to last.

As for the matchday 22 that Mooney will have to use against the Crusaders: it will be the same type of ad hoc team that Eddie Jones had to use a couple of years ago week after week. Although the team has a Queensland A cast to it, at least it will have a couple of professional props running onto the field, which is more than Eddie had sometimes.

It is sad to see the Reds' backs dropping like flies and one can only feel grateful that the S14 season is relatively short compared to the more demanding rugby league season.

At least those of us who can't watch Brisbane club rugby may be able to see Ben Tapuai running around the park as a senior player. He teamed with Robbie Horne in the 2007 Oz Schools midfield in the victory against NZ Schools at Hunters Hill, with Rabbit O'Connor having to play from the bench.

I was fairly sure that nuggety Ben would play for the Reds one day but a lot of water has flowed under the rugby bridge since then and I hadn't heard much about his progress in the senior ranks up there, apart from his being named in the Queensland Academy. I am sure that we all wish him the best if he gets onto the park as we did to Horne, O'Connor, Fitzpatrick, Mafi, To'omua and Zipper from that same schools team, when they appeared in the S14 during the last two seasons.

One good thing about Oz Sevens this year is that it has highlighted the ability of pint-sized Richard Kingi to play on a big occasion and the Reds are to be congratulated for looking outside of their Academy.

But most of our best wishes will go out to Andrew Shaw who is starting the game with the number 7 on his back. To be honest: I didn't think that Andrew was good enough to play in the S14, eventually, but I commend him for what he has done to prove me wrong.

No doubt dad Tony will be watching with a great deal of pride and nervousness.
 
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