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Chiefs acuse Tahs of cheating in Scrum

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Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
Engaging news: Australian scrums show promise
Greg Growden
April 9, 2011

Power pack ... the Waratahs' much-improved scrum is a welcome sign in a World Cup year.

Power pack ... the Waratahs' much-improved scrum is a welcome sign in a World Cup year. Photo: Vince Caligiuri

WHEN opponents start complaining about your tactics, it's a sure sign you're doing something right. You might even have them really worried.

Over the years, Australian front-rowers have grown accustomed to being laughed at for resembling puffed-up pillows.

However, it is only when the Australian scrums have at last gained some parity at set-piece time that the criticisms have come from a less personal angle, all aimed at undermining their progress. That was the case this week when the Chiefs queried the Waratahs' scrummaging technique.
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After several seasons in which the Australian scrums have wavered, the early rounds of the Super Rugby season have shown the local front-rowers are getting their act together.

It's not often Australian packs can boast scrummaging penalty tries. But the Waratahs could beat their chests last Friday night when they dominated the Chiefs' scrum, and got the five points for one collapse too many by the opposition. Adding to the Chiefs' pain was that just before the penalty try their tight-head prop Nathan White was sent to the sin-bin.

Admittedly, the Chiefs do not boast a sensational scrum, but what the Waratahs did to them shook them up. A few days later, Chiefs coach Ian Foster told the Waikato Times that the Waratahs' scrummaging was suspect. He argued that the Waratahs wedged in behind loose-head prop Benn Robinson, shifting players across on an angle to put further pressure on White. The complaint was that the Waratahs scrum did not remain square. ''Clearly, there were three Waratahs pushing across on Nathan White, and all that I would say is that we have had no issue at scrum time against New Zealand teams, but the Chiefs this year have had two games in which we've struggled at scrum time, and they've both been against Australian teams,'' Foster said.

It's not the first time Australian packs have been accused of devious methods. Wallabies officials have constantly complained in private they have been the ''victims of a misconception'' that their scrum is poor, and so are unfairly ''picked on'' by referees. They argue referees police them harder than opponents.

This has prompted the Wallabies coaching staff to constantly emphasise to their scrummagers that it's all about perception. This makes it imperative they stay up at scrum time and remain steady so that they don't give referees any excuse to focus on them. And in a World Cup year, the number of penalties and free kicks that come at scrum time can determine whether a team is successful or an early tournament casualty.

Australia's World Cup squad is expected to include four props and two hookers. The hookers are easy to pick - Tatafu Polota-Nau and Stephen Moore. The props are trickier.

Robinson is the loose-head prop front-runner, while at tight-head the selectors like James Slipper. The Reds match against the Stormers in Cape Town tomorrow morning will be a big test for Slipper, as he will be encountering a pack with its fair share of Springboks.

As Wallabies coach Robbie Deans likes props to be proficient on both sides of the scrum, the Waratahs' Sekope Kepu boosted his claims when he moved across and performed well as a tight-head against the Chiefs. Kepu might find himself vying with Ben Alexander for one World Cup spot, while also in the mix will be Ben Daley, Dan Palmer and Salesi Ma'afu. Several competent hookers in Ben Whittaker, Nathan Charles and James Hanson are hovering.

No matter what, talented candidates will miss out. That hasn't always been the case in a World Cup year.

Pot and Black etc by NZ teams whinging about cheats IMO. We have bleated for years about the Crusaders in particular driving in in counter ruck and then collapsing over the ball or holding back players away from the ruck. Let alone the continued things that McCheat gets away with.

NZ teams with Woocock at LHP has also "cheated" for years as he up until this year nearly always packed with his hand on the ground and then went under his opposing TH.

After reading this re-watched the Tahs V Chiefs scrums and I cannot see what they are talking about. Robinson bound and the Tahs drove straight forward and the Chiefs collapsed.

Funny that whenever NZ teams or the ABs get dusted at a set piece they start whinging and whining about cheats. Pity POB isn't referee chief for SANZAR or they would have got a morale boosting visit and apology.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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boo hoo, boo hoo
 

Toddy

Chris McKivat (8)
Pot and Black etc by NZ teams whinging about cheats IMO. We have bleated for years about the Crusaders in particular driving in in counter ruck and then collapsing over the ball or holding back players away from the ruck. Let alone the continued things that McCheat gets away with.

NZ teams with Woocock at LHP has also "cheated" for years as he up until this year nearly always packed with his hand on the ground and then went under his opposing TH.

After reading this re-watched the Tahs V Chiefs scrums and I cannot see what they are talking about. Robinson bound and the Tahs drove straight forward and the Chiefs collapsed.

Funny that whenever NZ teams or the ABs get dusted at a set piece they start whinging and whining about cheats. Pity POB isn't referee chief for SANZAR or they would have got a morale boosting visit and apology.

Totally agree. I don't think I've ever seen an Aussie player commit a professional foul on purpose. Also sick on the NZer's constant cheating. It really is wrecking the game.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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Totally agree. I don't think I've ever seen an Aussie player commit a professional foul on purpose. Also sick on the NZer's constant cheating. It really is wrecking the game.

Irony works better if it's more subtle!!:lmao::lmao:
 

Lindommer

Simon Poidevin (60)
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And there were His Ancientness and I sitting in the stands watching the Chiefs' LHP setting up at about a 60 degree angle to the Tahs' THP, proceeding to bore in at every scrum which wasn't adjudicated by the ref standing on that side. Fuck me, what do Oz scrums have to do to get a fair shake of Kev's sauce bottle?
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
And there were His Ancientness and I sitting in the stands watching the Chiefs' LHP setting up at about a 60 degree angle to the Tahs' THP, proceeding to bore in at every scrum which wasn't adjudicated by the ref standing on that side. Fuck me, what do Oz scrums have to do to get a fair shake of Kev's sauce bottle?

I thought Kepu and Palmer in the Mules game showed how to deal with a LH prop boring in, drive straight and hard on his inside shoulder and split him from his hooker. Happened time and again in both those games. The Tahs didn't need the ref to intervene and if they are dominant and the infringement isn't disadvantaging the attacking team let it go IMO.
 
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