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MajorlyRagerly

Trevor Allan (34)
Mixed views on this. Personally, I think he's a bit of a nutter, but then again I don't blame anybody who has to deal with SARU for being a bit nuts.

Results wise - well he came up with and implemented a tactic which swept the AB's in 2009 - that's no easy feat & I had to hold my hand up and applaud him for that. I would suggest his head to head vs NZ is no worse than of the previous 2 or 3 Bok coaches? Against Australia, he has clearly struggled. I can't put my finger on that one. The boks, on the whole, haven't been dropping games steadily to countries outside the 3N, like Australia has so I think he's actually not as inconsistent as many would think.

Perhaps he's a better coach then people like myself have historically given him credit for?
 

Brisbok

Cyril Towers (30)
It will be Snor, the reason why the others aint interesting, they know the politics and drills going on behind the scenes. The minute when the Minister qouted he deserve another shot, it was a done deal.

Hopefully you are wrong Paarl and this article is right...

Div kicked into touch
Peter de Villiers this week threw his hat back into the Springbok coaching ring when, hardly having touched the canvass, it came flying back out again.
"Divvie is out," Golden Lions president Kevin de Klerk and member of the South African Rugby Football Union's (Saru) last technical committee said yesterday.

"There are lots of dynamics at play. I sense Saru is about to turn the page and there is the realisation that we need to grasp this moment and be bold," said De Klerk.
Another senior member of Saru's president's council also gravitated towards a new dawn for the Springboks.

"I think he (De Villiers) says too much," said a council member who did not wish to be named, about the coach's garrulous streak.

"I don't think we should advertise the position. We should get together a group of astute rugby brains and decide on who the best candidate is. We should then headhunt that person," he said.

Some decision makers in Saru are in favour of some kind of coaching overlord who will oversee not just the performances of the Springboks but all national teams. This coach, or coaching manager, will be responsible for inculcating a playing style that will be adhered to throughout the national teams.

Western Province director of rugby Rassie Erasmus has been heavily tipped for the post, while the name of his counterpart at the Blue Bulls, Heyneke Meyer, has also been mentioned. The search for the best coach or coaching manager should, however, not be confined to our shores.

"I would not close the door on foreigners," said Oregan Hoskins, Saru's president. "We have to get the new coach at all cost.

"This is one of the most important decisions we can make as an organisation," said Hoskins.

He said he expected the process to run its course early in the new year.

Stormers coach Allister Coetzee may have been mooted as the man who will succeed De Villiers but the performances of the Stormers and Western Province in the latter stages of Super Rugby and the Currie Cup would not have advanced his cause.

Lions coach John Mitchell has ruled himself out. "I'm not going to apply. I'm contracted to the Lions until the end of 2013, with the option of going into 2014.

"I'm 16 months into this and I'm not going to let something go that is just getting momentum," said Mitchell.

That De Villiers would want to return to the position in which he wholly underwhelmed since 2008 would have surprised many.

By losing in the quarterfinals of this year's World Cup the Springboks emulated their earliest exit from the tournament.

De Villiers' predecessor, Jake White, was at the helm when they won the Webb Ellis Cup in 2007 and he was not afforded a contract extension.

Like White in 2007, De Villiers found himself writing a book during the World Cup, the contents of which may seriously compromise his relationship with his current employers when it is released in the middle of next year.

Assistant coach Gary Gold has already resigned himself to the fact that he will no longer be part of the set-up. "I don't have anything," he said when pressed about his immediate future.

His less-than-rosy prognosis of his own prospects, however, may partly be based on the fact that even if De Villiers got the nod again, he would not be part of the coaching team.

De Villiers at various stages tried to off-load his assistant coaches.

Saru's executive council will meet on November 17 to flesh out details of the process that will be followed in the appointment of the new coach or coaching structure. It will also fall to them to appoint the coach pending ratification from Saru's general council.
http://www.sportlive.co.za/rugby/boks/2011/11/06/div-kicked-into-touch
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Sorry BrisBok, Hoskins dont have balls Boet. He and Sarus top brass is like cats on a hot plate when it comes to the ANC and the SA politicians. Where is Doc Craven/Louis Luyt when you needs them?
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
I am not totally disagreeing with you Paarl, I just hope like hell that you're wrong!
Me to Boet, just expecting the worst and slowly preparing Blou for the news. Bok coach for me is like a army rank, have to much respect for it.
 

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
Imagine the crazy, distorted conversations between PDV and Robbie Deans. That would be comedy gold.

It would be. Just imagine the selection meeting for the next test match.

Deans: What do you think of JOC (James O'Connor) at 12?

PdV: I don't like fruit salad. This guy is a banana. We need a steak like Pat McCabe . Put O'Connor on the wing with the other fruits.

Deans: Digby is a winger; that's a bit harsh on him.

PdV: If I want to see drawings I'll buy a comic book

Deans: Oh – his tatoos? It's a cultural thing.

PdV: If you want culture go to the Opera House. We need players from the shithouse.

Deans: Oh, cunning like shithouse rats?

PdV: Yes, Warringah players like Pat McCabe.

Deans: Oh, yes, The Warringah Rats, What about hookers? Do you want Moore?

PdV: No more for me; the press were on to me after the last lot.

Deans: I meant in the front row.

PdV:
Oh, Moore? He is the best hooker in Australia; put him on the bench.

Deans: What about flyhalf? Quade is injured. Thank God we have Berrick.

PdV: You're welcome.

…... and so on – the mind boggles.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Wheels are running, surprising new names coming through now
Sport24
Bok coach SARU's top priority

Johannesburg - While there will again be pressure on the SA Rugby Union (SARU) to re-evaluate the implementation of a quota system, the national governing body's mission to appoint a Springbok coach is set to take centre stage as the year winds to a close.
Incumbent coach Peter de Villiers's contract runs out at the end of December, and should he not get the blessing of SARU's key decision makers to stay on, negotiations with other candidates will have to be concluded before the end of the year.

In moving away from previous protocol, a decision was made not to open the position for public application.

The man to lead South Africa's national team would instead be identified and approached by the relevant stakeholders.

When SARU announced their new strategy to fill the head coach's position, it was also revealed that keeping De Villiers at the helm remained one of their options.

The reason for this, though, could stem from the knowledge that several of the most sought after candidates for the job have indicated they are not available for the position.

Top of the list is the Bulls' executive of rugby, Heyneke Meyer, who returned to South African shores after an overseas stint with English club Leicester.

Meyer's proven track record with the Pretoria-based franchise separates him from all other candidates.

His reluctance to avail himself for the position is routed in the political interference four years ago that saw De Villiers pip him to the post, taking over from Jake White who had just won the World Cup.

There were signs, however, that the winds of change were blowing over rugby's governing body, where issues surfaced at executive level, when Jurie Roux was appointed CEO in 2010.

Roux played a leading role in the unification of the two separately run organisations - SARU and SA Rugby - and also initiated the appointment of a high performance manager.

That position is currently vacant, and there has been speculation that Western Province director of coaching, Rassie Erasmus, is the prime candidate to step into that role.

Erasmus, regarded as one of the best technical analysts in the country, has nonetheless confirmed that his alliance lies with his province.

This again indicated the reluctance of South Africa's top coaches to step up to the top job.

Another candidate tipped to take over from De Villiers is Western Province head coach Allister Coetzee, but he too is still under contract with his provincial union.

Coetzee formed part of the coaching staff when the Boks won the 2007 World Cup, and despite Province not showing any silverware for their efforts, his hit rate in reaching the business end of competitions has been exemplary.

If he left, however, Province would be concerned as to how they would continue to set the pace without Coetzee in charge.

On that front, Bulls coach Frans Ludeke could be the ideal candidate to lead the Springboks into a new era.

Should Ludeke be taken away from the team he recently led to two Super Rugby titles, they would still have Meyer to ensure the vacuum left by their recent departure of star players was filled.

These issues will take centre stage at SARU's executive general council meeting, scheduled for December 1 and 2, where the next steps will be taken in their search for a new Bok coach.

The position is expected to be filled as early as January - provided they can find a suitable candidate willing to take the job.

Profiles on possible candidates for the Springbok head coach position.

Heyneke Meyer:

The most decorated rugby coach in the country, Heyneke Meyer has achieved success at all levels of the game.

More importantly, he has a proven track record of identifying and producing world-class players.

That could all amount to nothing, though, as Meyer has shown a lack of interest in coaching the national team after he was snubbed four years ago when, as the most likely man for the job, the SA Rugby Union went for Peter de Villiers instead.

Retired Springbok legend Victor Matfield wrote in his autobiography that Meyer was the best coach he had ever played under, even though Jake White had led the team to glory at the 2007 Rugby World Cup in France.

Some of the players who grew into world beaters under Meyer's watchful eye include Bok stalwarts Fourie du Preez, Bakkies Botha, Danie Rossouw and Bryan Habana.

Meyer's key strength lies in his knowledge of sports psychology.

He is a pragmatic coach who ensures he is surrounded by experts, or specialists, in every aspect of the game, but he also has the courage to be innovative when necessary.

Meyer excels in player management, and with his ability to lay down plans, and stick to them, he is in a league of his own.

Peter de Villiers:

The decision to employ Peter de Villiers ahead of Bulls expert Heyneke Meyer in 2007 outraged most South African rugby fans.

With his experience - much like his predecessor, Jake White - limited to the SA Rugby Union's junior structures, De Villiers took charge of the most experienced Springbok squad of all time, and subsequently decided that a player driven coaching system would be the most effective.

This would come back to haunt him at the 2011 Rugby World Cup in New Zealand where the Boks were dumped out in the quarterfinals.

During his tenure, the Boks secured a series victory over the British and Irish Lions, and they won the Tri-Nations.

Most of the criticism De Villiers endured at the helm of the national team was a direct result of controversial and often misinterpreted public statements.

When SARU hired Andy Colquhoun as the team's media manager, De Villiers turned a new page, and he surprised the world with some insightful comments at the World Cup.

He is the only coach confirmed on SARU's shortlist of candidates, and with a number of others making themselves unavailable, he could either be re-appointed or hired as a caretaker coach until a more suitable candidate is found.

Frans Ludeke:

The only South African coach to have won back-to-back Super Rugby titles, Frans Ludeke has shown, during his time at the helm of Bulls rugby, that he has the aptitude to coach at the highest level.

His well documented philosophy on the importance of focusing only on the team's next match has been adopted by many other sides in the country.

That same week-by-week dedication contributed to his team's Currie Cup success in 2009, while at the same time highlighting that he kept abreast of developments on the local front.

Ludeke's leave of absence was felt during the Blue Bulls' 2011 season, with Pine Pienaar given a chance to coach at a higher level after the union was restructured.

Ludeke was approached by incumbent Springbok coach Peter de Villiers to join him prior to this year's Rugby World Cup, and if he is not included in the national team's immediate plans, he could be a called upon in an advisory capacity.

Allister Coetzee:

A former Springbok backline coach, Allister Coetzee has the right credentials, having formed part of the SA rugby scene at provincial and national level.

Coetzee has a 2007 World Cup winner's medal, which he won as an assistant to Jake White, but has yet to win silverware at provincial level.

He was also on the four-man shortlist for the Springbok coaching position after White's departure, when Peter de Villiers was handed the post.

Coetzee has guided Western Province and the Stormers to the finals of both the Currie Cup and Super Rugby competitions.

Toetie, as he is affectionately known, has the respect of fellow coaches and players.

His experience within the successful 2007 World Cup setup, and his ability to handle a critical media fraternity, will hold him in good stead.

Rassie Erasmus:

Regarded as a mastermind in SA rugby, Erasmus is respected as one of the country's greatest tacticians.

He was famously brought in to help the Springboks as a technical advisor before the start of this year's Rugby World Cup in New Zealand.

Erasmus won the Currie Cup as head coach of the Cheetahs in 2005 and played a major role in a turnaround for Western Province and the Stormers in recent years in his capacity as director of rugby at the union.

While Western Province have made massive strides, however, becoming a force in Super Rugby and in the Currie Cup, they still don't have any trophies to show for it.

Erasmus has played down speculation that he will be available to take over the reins of the national side.

Brendan Venter:

A former Springbok centre, Brendan Venter has distinguished himself as one of the leading coaches on the English club rugby scene in recent years.

Venter made an instant impact at London Irish when he coached the side to their first major trophy in 2002.

He had a stint with Saracens as director of rugby, where he was responsible for a resurgence in the club's fortunes since taking charge in 2009.

Venter coached the team to a Premiership final which ended in defeat in 2010.

He left the club at the end of last year but is still involved as technical director and, combined with Springbok Sevens coach Paul Treu, he guided the SA Premier XV to victory over the EP Kings earlier this year.

A controversial figure during his tenure with Saracens, Venter had a number of run-ins with rugby authorities in England.

It is not clear whether he is available for the Springbok coach's position, but his rebellious attitude towards authority is likely to make him unpopular with the SA Rugby Union.

Gary Gold:

A former Western Province and London Irish coach, Gary Gold has over the past four years formed part of the Springbok management team as scrum assistant under Peter de Villiers.

While Gold is viewed as one of the most astute rugby brains in the country, his involvement with the recent management setup could be seen as a blemish behind his name.

Gold was forwards coach under Brendan Venter at London Irish when the English club won their first major trophy in 2002.

He later took over the reins of the club, until he accepted a coaching job in 2005, and was also part of the Bok setup as a defensive consultant in 2004 and 2005.

Gold's experience and knowledge of the Springbok structures could count in his favour.

Pundits, however, might argue that the new Springbok management team should start with a clean slate.

Gert Smal:

A former Springbok forwards coach and World Cup winner, under Jake White in 2007, Gert Smal has deflected to Ireland and is well respected internationally.

Smal has a wealth of international experience as an assistant coach and understands the pressures of rugby at the highest levels.

He also worked under Springbok coaches Carel du Plessis in 1997 and Rudolf Straeuli in 2003.

The former Springbok flanker discerned himself as a provincial coach when Western Province won the Currie Cup in 2000 and 2001, and he led the Stormers in four Super Rugby campaigns.

Smal has yet to take up a job as head coach of a national side, and returning to his homeland may appeal to him.

He is, however, still under contract with Ireland until the end of the 2013 season, and it is not clear if he will be keen on taking charge of the Springboks.

John Mitchell:

His recent success with the Lions has made John Mitchell the fans' favourite to become the Springbok mentor, despite joining the chorus of coaches that have said they are not interested in the job.

His record as All Blacks coach was exemplary and the experience he has gained over the last nine years - after was fired as New Zealand coach following the team's defeat to Australia in the 2003 World Cup semi-finals - would be to the advantage of any international outfit.

Mitchell is, however, unlikely to abandon a group of players that have completed only two thirds of the three-year programme he and his fellow Kiwi coaches have devised at the Lions.

He might, though, be available in an advisory capacity by the time the Springboks travel to London for the next World Cup.

Ewen McKenzie:

Robbie Deans's decision to extend his contract as Australia's head coach for another two years could make the prospect of coaching a foreign international team that much more appealing to current Reds coach Ewen McKenzie.

McKenzie had already proved his worth while in charge of the Waratahs, and went on to transform the Reds into a world-class outfit within two seasons.

Though the chances are minimal that he will take over from Peter de Villiers, it would be interesting to know whether such a bold move was discussed by the decision makers at SA Rugby.

There you go, the Reds maybe without a coach before the S15 season starts.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Heyneke Meyer. It's as clear as day.

Rassie is a great rugby brain but he has no proven success as a coach. He is not considered to be a leader of men, which Meyer clearly is.

Rassie is perfect for a Director of Rugby position and is obviously the best technical analyst in SA but what has he achived as a coach? Nothing.

I would have Gert Smal before Rassie as well. Been there done that and HUGELY respected by the players.
 

rustycruiser

Billy Sheehan (19)
Rassie is perfect for a Director of Rugby position and is obviously the best technical analyst in SA but what has he achived as a coach? Nothing.
Three Currie Cups with Free State?

Edit: One win (2005), one tie (2006). The third (2007) was under Naka, as Rassie was with the Boks pre Eddie Jones, and then quit to take the WP job.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Heyneke Meyer. It's as clear as day.

Rassie is a great rugby brain but he has no proven success as a coach. He is not considered to be a leader of men, which Meyer clearly is.

Rassie is perfect for a Director of Rugby position and is obviously the best technical analyst in SA but what has he achived as a coach? Nothing.

I would have Gert Smal before Rassie as well. Been there done that and HUGELY respected by the players.
Boet to be really honest I wants Rassie. But then I have enough respect for the title : Bok Coach, I'll support who ever gets the job. I wont mind John Mitchell or McKenzie aswell. Mitchell have been superb with the Lions and it look like his methods thrive with our Saffers more dissplined style of rugby values. I really do respect McKenzie and think have have done great with the Reds and the way of his forwards knowledge.

This is the real world and myself know that it wont happen in the current real SA way. Unfortunately you have to read between the SA lines to get realistic about who will be appointed. I posted the reality yesterday
http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/fo...pact-of-South-African-politics-on-rugby/page3

Quotas will stay - minister
2011-11-22 19:33Email | Print

Johannebsurg - It was too early to scrap quotas in South African sport, Sports Minister Fikile Mbalula said on Tuesday.

On the final day of the National Sport and Recreation Indaba in Midrand, during discussions on transformation in the plenary, it was decided that the quota system could not be scrapped while the transformation charter and the transformation scorecard would be adopted into the Nation Sports Plan.

During the final session of the transformation commission, where the resolutions were to be passed, there was widespread division on whether the system should be scrapped or reinstated.

“The indaba acknowledged the challenges and limitations with regard to the implementation of the quota system in its current form and the negative effects of this system in deepening racial polarisation,” Mbalula said.

“To this end, the indaba observed the unfortunate and painful stigma imposed on young black athletes and players as a result of the application of this archaic system.”

With the rigorous debate surrounding this contentious issue, it was decided that the quota system would not be scrapped, and the merit system would also not be undermined.

“However, a strong case has been made for the uninterrupted continuation of the quota system through the direct selection of black players into national codes, using the adopted scorecards contained in the transformation charter,” Mbalula said.

“You will still have that particular programme [quota system], but at the same time that programme will be enhanced by a visible and clear transformation charter.

"Federations and everybody else will be held accountable in terms of what we seek to achieve as a nation about integration, equity and accessibility in terms of different sporting codes.”

Rugby in particular came under fire, with SA Rugby Union (SARU) president Oregan Hoskins defending his federation.

Hoskins admitted the sport had not progressed as much as it could have in terms of transformation, but he invited more black people to get involved in rugby.

“It will not help to talk only in this forum. I also experienced the worst form of apartheid and the fact of the matter is that I am democratically elected [as SARU president],” Hoskins said.

“So I urge my comrades with the expertise to make yourselves available to the rugby unions and SARU to have a say.

"To effect change in rugby we have to start in the boardroom because, as you know, most of my brothers in rugby are white.”

Hoskins said he would seek clarity from Mbalula and the Sports Ministry as to what had been decided regarding quotas.

“We have heard the decision and that is contrary to what the Minister had said earlier - that quotas had been done away with," Hoskins said.

"The indaba has decided that quotas should not be done away with, so we will meet as SA rugby to discuss the effect of what has happened here.”

Obvious our Mr Rugby is nothing less then a puppet to the ANC and it surely will be a person of colour. Thats Snor and the only opposition is Coetzee and I cant see any other then this two getting it. Its only a matter of fine tuning and Snor will be the coach. The ANC and minister has been qouted already that he deserves another change.
 

Brisbok

Cyril Towers (30)
Smal the frontrunner for Bok post

Gert Smal is the favourite for the Springbok coaching position although Allister Coetzee and Heyneke Meyer are also on the shortlist.

The appointment will only be confirmed on 27 January 2012, but according to a reliable source, Smal is expected to pip Coetzee and Meyer for the job.

Smal has enjoyed success as a coach in South Africa, coaching Western Province to the Currie Cup title in 2000 and 2001, and also serving as the forwards coach during Jake White’s World Cup-winning tenure. For the past four years he has coached the Ireland forwards and was integral to the Emerald Greens’ 2009 Six Nations triumph.

While Meyer has also enjoyed great success with the Bulls, firstly as a hands-on coach and then as a director of rugby, it is Smal’s record with transformation that may reportedly secure him the post.

Smal was responsible for nurturing numerous players of colour while he was at WP, and in 2008 he drafted a transformation proposal to Saru detailing the development of black forwards in the Eastern Cape region.

Peter de Villiers, whose term as Bok coach will expire at the end of 2011, struggled to transform the Boks despite his earlier intentions. This is best illustrated by the make-up of White and De Villiers’s respective World Cup teams.

White picked just two players of colour in the match 22 for the 2007 World Cup final in France while De Villiers picked the same two players (Bryan Habana and JP Pietersen) and just two more (Gurthro Steenkamp and Gio Aplon) in the 22 that played Australia in the 2011 quarter-final in New Zealand.
http://www.keo.co.za/2011/12/15/smal-the-frontrunner-for-bok-post/

I would not be concerned if any of the three coaches mentioned above ended up getting the job. Any of the three would be a significant improvement on Peter de Villiers! I quite like the idea of Gert Smal actually. The fact that he has been out of SA Rugby for 4 years would mean that it would almost be a fresh start for him with no signficant bias to any particular players/franchises.
 

Swat

Chilla Wilson (44)
Ironic that it will be announced the day after Australia Day, as if they don't need further reminding of how to not win a game...
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
http://www.keo.co.za/2011/12/15/smal-the-frontrunner-for-bok-post/

I would not be concerned if any of the three coaches mentioned above ended up getting the job. Any of the three would be a significant improvement on Peter de Villiers! I quite like the idea of Gert Smal actually. The fact that he has been out of SA Rugby for 4 years would mean that it would almost be a fresh start for him with no signficant bias to any particular players/franchises.
Cant read much when it come from Keo Muppets.
 
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