Best Number of Subtitutes Pole

[Dismal Pillock]

Looks like IRB looking to do the fiddleroo with the subs rule

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12349254

Eddie Jones on board.

Guessing Owen Franks is NOT on board. Or any prop for that matter.

 

[Wilson]

World Rugby's version is quoted as still having the 3 front row subs, so if you go down to the 6 players that's only 3 to cover the other 12 positions. Is the age of the backrow/centre upon us?

 

[Braveheart81]

World Rugby's version is quoted as still having the 3 front row subs, so if you go down to the 6 players that's only 3 to cover the other 12 positions. Is the age of the backrow/centre upon us?

I don't think the proposal is to cut down the size of the bench, just the number of replacements you are able to use (i.e. some players on the bench won't have a chance to get on the field).

It would reduce tactical substitutions and theoretically leave more tired bodies on the field late in games.

 

[Up the Guts]

Less likely to pick someone in the starting side who is touch and go with an injury as well.

 

[Derpus]

The cut will heavily favour our fitter units like Tupou, Hooper etc

 

[Wilson]

I don't think the proposal is to cut down the size of the bench, just the number of replacements you are able to use (i.e. some players on the bench won't have a chance to get on the field).

It would reduce tactical substitutions and theoretically leave more tired bodies on the field late in games.

I do like that arrangement a lot more, makes health/injury concerns easier to manage. I wonder if they look at an exemption for head/blood subs, where those ref forced ones are not counted.

 

[KOB1987]

Yes I think 8 allowed on the bench, but only 5 subs can be made, except in the case of a genuine front row injury, and if that happens after the 5 subs have been used the front rower who has come off has to go back on, unless he’s actually injured too.

 

[Mr Wobbly]

So, back to the (not so long ago) days of having a substitute prop that can play either side?

 

[cyclopath]

So, back to the (not so long ago) days of having a substitute prop that can play either side?

Or neither side especially well.

 

[KOB1987]

Or Scott Sio that can play all 3.

 

[Mr Wobbly]

Or neither side especially well.

Indeed!

Or Scott Sio that can play all 3.

Or, maybe someone like Mees Erasmus (prop turned hooker) becomes an essential commodity as a professional bench sitter?

 

[Mr Wobbly]

As long as rugby never considers introducing an interchange bench. That terrible idea ruined AFL, IMHO.

 

[Braveheart81]

As long as rugby never considers introducing an interchange bench. That terrible idea ruined AFL, IMHO.

I think we're going in exactly the opposite direction which is good.

Rugby league reduced the importance of the smaller forwards with amazing fitness like Wayne Pearce when they brought in the interchange rule (obviously a long time after he retired). He was the quintessential 80 minute player and would really come into his own late in games against tired players. Players like him lost their importance once fatigue became less of an issue due to interchanges.

 

[Drew]

If it went to 6, with a full front row obligatory you’d lose a specialist winger, halfback and 7. I’d imagine players like Samu (6,7,8), Uru, Hanigan (4,5,6,8), Fines (9,11), Petaia (13-15), Hodge(10-15), will Harrison (9,10,15) would be good options for their versatility. Would be a good change as replacing more than half the team after an hour can ruin a games continuity just as teams are tiring.

 

[Dismal Pillock]

I'm thinking 4.

Hooker
Halfback
A forward
A back

 

[Drew]

I'm thinking 4.

Hooker
Halfback
A forward
A back

Could go to none, like in the old days of league, a player would get a serious injury, try and start a fight with an opposition player so they’d both be sent off. Kept the numbers even
Edit: wrote more, but realised I’d written the same thing a year ago

 

[Dismal Pillock]

3 or 4 subs is enough ffs.

Die Bokke subbing on 7 forwards at once is utterly taking the piss.

Fuck these behemoths off back to the squat rack and let's get back to Running Rugby

 

[LeCheese]

No subs. Survival of the fittest. Proper park footy spec

 

[Dan54]

I don't think the proposal is to cut down the size of the bench, just the number of replacements you are able to use (i.e. some players on the bench won't have a chance to get on the field).

It would reduce tactical substitutions and theoretically leave more tired bodies on the field late in games.

I believe strongly we should be going down this route.

 

[Dan54]

No subs. Survival of the fittest. Proper park footy spec

How it used to be wasn't it, in the days that reserves ran the touch, then went to replacements, only if Dr said you couldn't carry on playing.