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And without adequate sources of income, so is rugby as a professional sport in Australia.Without building from the grassroots, including coach development, any elite program is doomed.
And without adequate sources of income, so is rugby as a professional sport in Australia.Without building from the grassroots, including coach development, any elite program is doomed.
Then why would you persist with Super Rugby, which is bankrupting the game in this countryAnd without adequate sources of income, so is rugby as a professional sport in Australia.
Super Rugby should have evolved to support its follower base, instead it seems to have gone down a rabbit hole of self-focus. They should've dealt with referees slowing the game down, reducing TV review time, cutting out the boring scrum resets, caterpillar mauls and pedantic control of the breakdown. As a stand-alone pro rugby spectacle, you must admit they did little to make it eyeball-friendly.Then why would you persist with Super Rugby, which is bankrupting the game in this country
Super Rugby should have evolved to support its follower base, instead it seems to have gone down a rabbit hole of self-focus. They should've dealt with referees slowing the game down, reducing TV review time, cutting out the boring scrum resets, caterpillar mauls and pedantic control of the breakdown. As a stand-alone pro rugby spectacle, you must admit they did little to make it eyeball-friendly.
It should also have evolved as a competition, but by design it has never Been able to adjust or meet market conditions, which is partly why it is getting its preverbal ass kicked by the NRL & AFL.Super Rugby should have evolved to support its follower base, instead it seems to have gone down a rabbit hole of self-focus. They should've dealt with referees slowing the game down, reducing TV review time, cutting out the boring scrum resets, caterpillar mauls and pedantic control of the breakdown. As a stand-alone pro rugby spectacle, you must admit they did little to make it eyeball-friendly.
Who made the statement?Waugh and Herbert just better at getting the wording right that Hamish was.
Yeah, hence my comment about pathways. I think we are starting to get there with linking the junior rep sides to the Super franchises, but there is more than can be done.Without building from the grassroots, including coach development, any elite program is doomed.
Hoggy, I was reffing in Sydney and involved in club rugby at the time when NSW were looking at a second Super Rugby team in Western Sydney. After a couple of years of investing in a good guy who did school development and player ID they threw the towel in. They also spent some money on support for Penrith and I think Parramatta. It became obvious that there was limited interest in the West for RU. I have written before about some of the issues with club rugby in the West of Sydney.It should also have evolved as a competition, but by design it has never Been able to adjust or meet market conditions, which is partly why it is getting its preverbal ass kicked by the NRL & AFL.
Just one glaring example out of a 100, NSW only having one entity in the biggest market in Australia trying to compete with two other codes that offer games every weekend and tribal support to match.
Rugby Unions approach here is f------g insane and the main reason why it is disappearing down a massive big black hole.
The purists need to realise that professional rugby is in the entertainment business - it's not a case of simply supporting the code.Super Rugby should have evolved to support its follower base, instead it seems to have gone down a rabbit hole of self-focus. They should've dealt with referees slowing the game down, reducing TV review time, cutting out the boring scrum resets, caterpillar mauls and pedantic control of the breakdown. As a stand-alone pro rugby spectacle, you must admit they did little to make it eyeball-friendly.
When GRR tried to support a team in Sydney's West the move was not sanctioned by either Rugby NSW nor Sydney Rugby as they had their own plans. GRR had sponsors lined up and support from a SS Club which was interested in growing the game.Hoggy, I was reffing in Sydney and involved in club rugby at the time when NSW were looking at a second Super Rugby team in Western Sydney. After a couple of years of investing in a good guy who did school development and player ID they threw the towel in. They also spent some money on support for Penrith and I think Parramatta. It became obvious that there was limited interest in the West for RU. I have written before about some of the issues with club rugby in the West of Sydney.
FFan, I never followed GRR it must have been after my time. Is there a decent write up on it?When GRR tried to support a team in Sydney's West the move was not sanctioned by either Rugby NSW nor Sydney Rugby as they had their own plans. GRR had sponsors lined up and support from a SS Club which was interested in growing the game.
We have to move on from these dog-in-a-manger attitudes and grow the game.
The crowds attending the WF WSR games in 2018 are telling.
After the return to Super Rugby/SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) (Super Rugby Pacific) the crowds fell away.
Covid-19 was a bitch - this was >5 years ago and 2 years before Covid struck.
The writing was on the wall and seemingly ignored by RAu.
Australian teams/Rau simply stopped making attendance figures available to outlets such as Austadiums.
Interesting, the list of the Australia's top 50 Athletics, and no rugby player gets a mention and no rugby references, hockey, swimming, boxing, rowing and heaps of sports obviously cricket, AFL, NRL, and many many other sports how far have we fallen that we don't even get an after throughIt should also have evolved as a competition, but by design it has never Been able to adjust or meet market conditions, which is partly why it is getting its preverbal ass kicked by the NRL & AFL.
Just one glaring example out of a 100, NSW only having one entity in the biggest market in Australia trying to compete with two other codes that offer games every weekend and tribal support to match.
Rugby Unions approach here is f------g insane and the main reason why it is disappearing down a massive big black hole.
A 2nd NSW team doesn't have to be in Western Sydney, the whole point of a 2nd team is to maximize your market & support, to create tribalism a game in your biggest market place every weekend, another team to help create more media.Hoggy, I was reffing in Sydney and involved in club rugby at the time when NSW were looking at a second Super Rugby team in Western Sydney. After a couple of years of investing in a good guy who did school development and player ID they threw the towel in. They also spent some money on support for Penrith and I think Parramatta. It became obvious that there was limited interest in the West for RU. I have written before about some of the issues with club rugby in the West of Sydney.
That is one journalist's list, not the list. Aside from the fact that it's just one man's opinion, I'd argue there should multiple women's 7s players on any list of Australia's top 50 female athletes.Interesting, the list of the Australia's top 50 Athletics, and no rugby player gets a mention and no rugby references, hockey, swimming, boxing, rowing and heaps of sports obviously cricket, AFL, NRL, and many many other sports how far have we fallen that we don't even get an after through
Have our female athletes ever been so dominant as in 2023, when swimmers and football heroes took on the world and proved yet against how Australia consistently punches above its weight?
Mind you, Aussie women have been dominant in the pool since the days of Dawn Fraser in the 1950s, although to have three of the calibre of Kaylee McKeown, Mollie O’Callaghan and Ariarne Titmus at the same time is an abundance of riches.
Expected your comment or similar, and the likes. Follows a pattern of denial. Lets ignore the message/ pattern, find were it can be attacked.That is one journalist's list, not the list. Aside from the fact that it's just one man's opinion, I'd argue there should multiple women's 7s players on any list of Australia's top 50 female athletes.
Interesting, the list of the Australia's top 50 Athletics, and no rugby player gets a mention and no rugby references, hockey, swimming, boxing, rowing and heaps of sports obviously cricket, AFL, NRL, and many many other sports how far have we fallen that we don't even get an after through
Have our female athletes ever been so dominant as in 2023, when swimmers and football heroes took on the world and proved yet against how Australia consistently punches above its weight?
Mind you, Aussie women have been dominant in the pool since the days of Dawn Fraser in the 1950s, although to have three of the calibre of Kaylee McKeown, Mollie O’Callaghan and Ariarne Titmus at the same time is an abundance of riches.
For once I agree with half. Yeah sure it's just one journo, I reckon the vast majority of journos also wouldn't include a rugby player if they did their list. Obviously on GAGR we are going to champion rugby players. The whataboutism is pretty pointless and emblematic of the head in the sand mentality that pervades the sport.That is one journalist's list, not the list. Aside from the fact that it's just one man's opinion, I'd argue there should multiple women's 7s players on any list of Australia's top 50 female athletes.
No one is denying or ignoring the problems the game is facing, or the lack of investment in the women's game, including marketing. What I'm saying is the opinions of one journalist here are largely irrelevant, maybe a symptom of the disease at most.Expected your comment or similar, and the likes. Follows a pattern of denial. Lets ignore the message/ pattern, find were it can be attacked.
Its OK to point things out but only in a certain way.
Consider, our position around the late 90's early 2000. Second highest average crowds only the AFL averaged more, biggest media deal per game in Australia, talented and strong junior competitions, a still well respected and known club competitions. Massive positive media coverage.
We have been in free fall for a couple of decades, yet the defence of pointing out negative articles is met with, """But what about"""" .
To me and don't take this the wrong way, you sound like one of those folk who are arguing, just wait for the BL tour and RWC , we will rise from the ashes, you just wait and see.
I for one, thing its important that we don't even make a list, but alas the list is not important enough because its written by a journalist, and therefore to be totally ignored and considered worthless unless it had lots of rugby people in it.
Because any alternative may well bankrupt the game a f***en sight quicker? I quite sure in all the administration of RA and all the states (including clubs) if there was a better alternative it would be explored.Then why would you persist with Super Rugby, which is bankrupting the game in this country