Australian Bid for 2027 World Cup

[Adam84]

Poms are important but firstly If Australia doesn’t have NZ support then its a dead bid, and frankly i dont know which way the kiwis would go at the moment. Their new private equity partners probably see greater value in marketing the All Blacks to the USA, the recent test match gave the UAS a little bit of a boost with exposure and money in the coffers for a USA Rugby bid as well.

 

[barbarian]

Poms are important but firstly If Australia doesn’t have NZ support then its a dead bid

How so?

 

[Derpus]

Poms are important but firstly If Australia doesn’t have NZ support then its a dead bid, and frankly i dont know which way the kiwis would go at the moment. Their new private equity partners probably see greater value in marketing the All Blacks to the USA, the recent test match gave the UAS a little bit of a boost with exposure and money in the coffers for a USA Rugby bid as well.

Given the crowd it wouldn't have been much of a boost.

 

[kiap]

If Australia doesn’t have NZ support then its a dead bid, and frankly i dont know which way the kiwis would go at the moment.

My guess is NZ will back the Aus 2027 bid.

But, just on that (if I've read things correctly), there is no secret ballot. If said equity partners do move it the other way, it does promptly crystallize McLennan's recent public thoughts.

Provided RA have their own shit together (tbf, not a certainty) on new equity in two years time, then there's a good chance we "cut NZ loose" at TT pro level and control our own comp.

Not the worst outcome IMO.

 

[Dan54]

I guessing NZR will back Aussie's bid (if it the best), SANZAAR usually vote together on these thing (apart from RA trying going against NZ for 2011 ). I not sure how votes are split anymore, but honestly still think Aus will get it, WR (World Rugby) may just figure 29 Women's cup will be enough for US for now.

 

[Dan54]

Poms are important but firstly If Australia doesn’t have NZ support then its a dead bid, and frankly i dont know which way the kiwis would go at the moment. Their new private equity partners probably see greater value in marketing the All Blacks to the USA, the recent test match gave the UAS a little bit of a boost with exposure and money in the coffers for a USA Rugby bid as well.

Yep Adam, a lot of course will depend how much money gov't puts in too of course. And how much money each union would get to make out of being exposed in US.

 

[Rebel man]

The US will get the 29 women’s World Cup and the 31 men’s World Cup

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

The US will get the 29 women’s World Cup and the 31 men’s World Cup

Suspect so. The 2027 bid is more about signalling their intentions to host rather than really wanting that particular event. Everyone I know with anything to do with the game in the States are all in agreement that 2031 is the earliest they could possibly host. There's still a lot of ground work to be done around things like development and MLR that will need to be in place before it's a realistic chance.

 

[Lindommer]

So far there've been nine RWCs, all but one (2003, the Poms) which've been won by SH countries. To date the comp's been hosted in the NH five times (1991, 1999, 2007, 2015 & 2019) and in the SH the other four (1987, 1995, 2003 & 2011); the 2023 event in France will make the count 6:4. I realise the SH members can be out-muscled by the old guard in the NH, especially if our Pasifika cousins are encouraged to vote against their long-term interests, but, we should use all our powers of persuasion to get some sort of NH/SH parity holding the RWC. With all due respect to our brothers across the Tasman, the 2011 event made us all realise the infrastructure, stadia, roads, etc, in New Zealand isn't up to holding major events. The BILs tour of 2017 presented enough problems for tourists, a larger future RWC just isn't possible.

What I'd like to see is an agreement for the RWC to rotate between the SH and NHs. If that means the larger SH countries, SAf, Australia and Argentina, host future SH RWCs, well, so be it. We should go all out and liaise closely with Japan and the Pasifika countries to nail down the 2007 2027 RWC.

 

[dru]

Expectation of 50/50 with the north is ambitious if you ask me. On a basis of money generated the Southern Hemisphere is not close. On world top 10 rankings there are 4 SH teams - 5 if we include Japan as southern. The top 20 it is 9 in the south. Which makes it sound more equitable than it is.

Given that you have suggested NZ shouldn't hold it due to facilities, I would presume the same comment to Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, Uruguay and probably Argentina. At which point we are suggesting that Aus, South Africa and Japan should hold half of the RWCs.

Lovely thought but I don't really think it's going to fly.

If we are starting to consider Japan and the US as part of the Southern contingent, then surely South Africa is edging toward the north contingent.

Southern Hemisphere has rugby strength but it is nothing close to equity with the north, imo.

 

[Lindommer]

If Argentina can host a FIFA WC with its magnificent stadia a rugby one is no problem. Who wouldn't want to spend six weeks in South America with the magnificent and vast countryside enjoying their great wines?

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

If Argentina can host a FIFA WC with its magnificent stadia a rugby one is no problem. Who wouldn't want to spend six weeks in South America with the magnificent and vast countryside enjoying their great wines?

Oh the horror.

 

[Dctarget]

Also doubt Scotland, Wales or Ireland could host it on their own.

 

[Derpus]

Expectation of 50/50 with the north is ambitious if you ask me. On a basis of money generated the Southern Hemisphere is not close. On world top 10 rankings there are 4 SH teams - 5 if we include Japan as southern. The top 20 it is 9 in the south. Which makes it sound more equitable than it is.

Given that you have suggested NZ shouldn't hold it due to facilities, I would presume the same comment to Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, Uruguay and probably Argentina. At which point we are suggesting that Aus, South Africa and Japan should hold half of the RWCs.

Lovely thought but I don't really think it's going to fly.

If we are starting to consider Japan and the US as part of the Southern contingent, then surely South Africa is edging toward the north contingent.

Southern Hemisphere has rugby strength but it is nothing close to equity with the north, imo.

Argentina would certainly have the facilities.

 

[dru]

Argentina would certainly have the facilities.

Clearly relying on soccer pitches? I'm not so sure.

 

[Derpus]

Clearly relying on soccer pitches? I'm not so sure.

I think it would be fine.

 

[Brumby Runner]

So far there've been nine RWCs, all but one (2003, the Poms) which've been won by SH countries. To date the comp's been hosted in the NH five times (1991, 1999, 2007, 2015 & 2019) and in the SH the other four (1987, 1995, 2003 & 2011); the 2023 event in France will make the count 6:4. I realise the SH members can be out-muscled by the old guard in the NH, especially if our Pacifika cousins are encouraged to vote against their long-term interests, but, we should use all our powers of persuasion to get some sort of NH/SH parity holding the RWC. With all due respect to our brothers across the Tasman, the 2011 event made us all realise the infrastructure, stadia, roads, etc, in New Zealand isn't up to holding major events. The BILs tour of 2017 presented enough problems for tourists, a larger future RWC just isn't possible.

What I'd like to see is an agreement for the RWC to rotate between the SH and NHs. If that means the larger SH countries, SAf, Australia and Argentina, host future SH RWCs, well, so be it. We should go all out and liaise closely with Japan and the Pacifika countries to nail down the 2007 RWC.

Is that why the Lions (or England?) based themselves in Queenstown and got into so much trouble Lindo?

I don't think we should totally rule out NZ. A joint exercise with an appropriate level of NZ involvement would still be an attractive proposition I think. Perhaps just Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch, but I really did enjoy my visit to Dunedin (House of Pain for Highlanders v Brumbies 2003, and the Nelson area).

 

[WorkingClassRugger]

Also doubt Scotland, Wales or Ireland could host it on their own.

Actually providing Ireland could get the GAA on board. They just might.

 

[Adam84]

I think it would be fine.

I think a lot of soccer stadiums are unsuitable due to field dimensions

 

[Adam84]

On a positive, NZRU walked away with the bulk of the profits from the ‘test match’ between NZ and USA, which means less money for USA Rugby to put behind their RWC bid;


“This match – in my opinion – on the field a total disaster. Off the field, a total disaster.
“We made less than $200,000 dollars net. The All Blacks made 1.3 million and the promoters made seven figures as well.”

'On the field a total disaster. Off the field, a total disaster... a nadir for American rugby'

A former US Eagle has branded America's annihilation at the hands the All Blacks a 'nadir' for the sport in the US and a much-needed wake...

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