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2012 Rugby Championship Round 3 Game 2 NZ vs Argentina - 8 Sep

Who will win 2012 Rugby Championship Round 3 Game 2 between NZL & ARG?

  • The Darkness – New Zealand

    Votes: 19 90.5%
  • Los Pumas – Argentina

    Votes: 2 9.5%

  • Total voters
    21
  • Poll closed .
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Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
2012 Rugby Championship

8 September 2012:
Australia vs South Africa at Patersons Stadium, Perth
New Zealand vs Argentina at Westpac Stadium in Wellington
Referee: R. Poite (FFR); AR: G. Clancy (IRFU), J. Leckie (ARU); TMO: V. Munro (NZRU)

15 September 2012:
Australia vs Argentina at Skilled Park, Gold Coast
New Zealand vs South Africa at Forsyth Barr in Dunedin

22 September 2012: Travel Bye

29 September 2012:
South Africa vs Australia - Loftus Versfeld, Pretoria
Argentina vs New Zealand - Estadio Ciudad de La Plata, La Plata

6 October 2012:
South Africa vs New Zealand - FNB Stadium, Johannesburg
Argentina vs Australia - Estadio Gigante de Arroyito, Rosario
 

FrankLind

Colin Windon (37)
ALL BLACKS: Israel Dagg, Cory Jane, Conrad Smith, Ma'a Nonu, Julian Savea, Dan Carter, Aaron Smith, Kieran Read, Richie McCaw (c), Victor Vito, Brodie Retallick, Luke Romano, Owen Franks, Keven Mealamu, Tony Woodcock. Reserves: Andrew Hore, Charlie Faumuina, Sam Whitelock, Liam Messam, Piri Weepu, Aaron Cruden, Ben Smith.
Wellington pair Julian Savea and Victor Vito, and lock Brodie Retallick, have been recalled for Saturday night's test against Argentina.
The trio, along with the fit-again Tony Woodcock and Conrad Smith, are among the changes made for the Westpac Stadium test as the All Blacks seek their third successive Rugby Championship win. And if reserve prop Charlie Faumuina, preferred ahead of Ben Franks, takes the field he will make his test debut.
Despite the All Blacks' 22-0 win against the Wallabies on August 25 being sullied by numerous errors, coach Steve Hansen resisted a desire to maintain combinations in the hope it improves their performance.
Prop Woodcock and midfielder Smith were certain to return after recovering from respective rib and eye injuries. Wyatt Crockett departs the front row, while Smith returns to the midfield after Sonny Bill Williams' exit.
The remaining three selections were not so predictable.
Savea replaces left wing Hosea Gear, blindside flanker Vito takes over from Liam Messam and lock Retallick is preferred ahead of Sam Whitelock.
Vito and Savea have not started since the first and second tests against Ireland in June; the former because of a knee injury, while the latter was replaced by Gear for the third test in Hamilton.
Messam's omission is the most surprising. While Gear struggled to make an impact in the recent Bledisloe Cup match and Whitelock is yet to recapture last year's form, Messam has been a consistent performer.
The Waikato No 6's workrate in the two tests against the Wallabies was impressive. Perhaps Hansen prefers to keep him fresh ahead of next weekend's test against the Springboks in Dunedin.
Meanwhile, speculation continues as to whether former All Blacks boss Graham Henry will join Los Pumas' management during the match.
Former All Blacks coach Alex Wyllie, who took charge of Argentina between 1996 and 1999, believed Henry's presence in the opposition coach's box was unlikely to concern the All Blacks.
“You can change the odd thing during the game but it is not as if he can do much about technique and that sort of thing."
Wyllie said the tourists must absorb the lessons from their recent 16-16 draw against the Springboks in Mendoza.
“They challenged the South Africans a lot more in that test," Wyllie said. “They can't afford to sit back against the All Blacks. There is no point in that - they have to give it a go."
 

tigerland12

John Thornett (49)
I understand the selections of Savea and Retallick, as the two they are replacing haven't had much of an impact. But Vito over Messam is a bit confusing, hopefully you're right about Hansen keeping him fresh FrankLind.

I don't think this game will be a thrashing. The All Blacks will win comfortably but I think it might go the same way is it did in the World Cup, that being Argentina stay in contention untill the last 20.

The returns of Leguizamon and Creevy, two of their best forwards, are a massive boost for the Argies, not to mention Juan Martin Hernandez coming back.

I think it'll be about 18-12 with half an hour to go, but then the All Blacks to put on a few tries.
 

FrankLind

Colin Windon (37)
Carter is out with a calf strain.

Cruden to play 10 and Beauden Barrett on the bench.

I am really looking forward to Cruden playing.
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
ALL BLACKS: Israel Dagg, Cory Jane, Conrad Smith, Ma'a Nonu, Julian Savea, Dan Carter, Aaron Smith, Kieran Read, Richie McCaw (c), Victor Vito, Brodie Retallick, Luke Romano, Owen Franks, Keven Mealamu, Tony Woodcock. Reserves: Andrew Hore, Charlie Faumuina, Sam Whitelock, Liam Messam, Piri Weepu, Aaron Cruden, Ben Smith.
Wellington pair Julian Savea and Victor Vito, and lock Brodie Retallick, have been recalled for Saturday night's test against Argentina.
The trio, along with the fit-again Tony Woodcock and Conrad Smith, are among the changes made for the Westpac Stadium test as the All Blacks seek their third successive Rugby Championship win. And if reserve prop Charlie Faumuina, preferred ahead of Ben Franks, takes the field he will make his test debut.
Despite the All Blacks' 22-0 win against the Wallabies on August 25 being sullied by numerous errors, coach Steve Hansen resisted a desire to maintain combinations in the hope it improves their performance.
Prop Woodcock and midfielder Smith were certain to return after recovering from respective rib and eye injuries. Wyatt Crockett departs the front row, while Smith returns to the midfield after Sonny Bill Williams' exit.
The remaining three selections were not so predictable.
Savea replaces left wing Hosea Gear, blindside flanker Vito takes over from Liam Messam and lock Retallick is preferred ahead of Sam Whitelock.
Vito and Savea have not started since the first and second tests against Ireland in June; the former because of a knee injury, while the latter was replaced by Gear for the third test in Hamilton.
Messam's omission is the most surprising. While Gear struggled to make an impact in the recent Bledisloe Cup match and Whitelock is yet to recapture last year's form, Messam has been a consistent performer.
The Waikato No 6's workrate in the two tests against the Wallabies was impressive. Perhaps Hansen prefers to keep him fresh ahead of next weekend's test against the Springboks in Dunedin.
Meanwhile, speculation continues as to whether former All Blacks boss Graham Henry will join Los Pumas' management during the match.
Former All Blacks coach Alex Wyllie, who took charge of Argentina between 1996 and 1999, believed Henry's presence in the opposition coach's box was unlikely to concern the All Blacks.
“You can change the odd thing during the game but it is not as if he can do much about technique and that sort of thing."
Wyllie said the tourists must absorb the lessons from their recent 16-16 draw against the Springboks in Mendoza.
“They challenged the South Africans a lot more in that test," Wyllie said. “They can't afford to sit back against the All Blacks. There is no point in that - they have to give it a go."
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
I understand the selections of Savea and Retallick, as the two they are replacing haven't had much of an impact. But Vito over Messam is a bit confusing, hopefully you're right about Hansen keeping him fresh FrankLind.

I don't think this game will be a thrashing. The All Blacks will win comfortably but I think it might go the same way is it did in the World Cup, that being Argentina stay in contention untill the last 20.

The returns of Leguizamon and Creevy, two of their best forwards, are a massive boost for the Argies, not to mention Juan Martin Hernandez coming back.

I think it'll be about 18-12 with half an hour to go, but then the All Blacks to put on a few tries.

Carter is out with a calf strain.

Cruden to play 10 and Beauden Barrett on the bench.

I am really looking forward to Cruden playing.
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
Where has Beauden Barrett come from? Did he go to Junior RWC's for the Darkness?

IIRC the recent Jnr RWC Players of the Series have nearly all been Darkness #10's.

2008 Slade
2009 Cruden
2010 Blyendall
2011 Anscome
2012 was a Saffer I think?

I think he was playing S15 footy during the Jnr RWC this year, so at best it seems as if he was a the second choice #10 if he went to a previous Jnr RWC.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Barret was very good for Wellington all year. Definitely the next cab off the rank.
 

ACR

Desmond Connor (43)
Carter is out with a calf strain.

Cruden to play 10 and Beauden Barrett on the bench.

I am really looking forward to Cruden playing.

Bugger! Loud Noises! Panic! Someone find out where Tony Brown is! Call the northern hemisphere, extract Nick Evans!

Oh well, I guess we don't lose much really. Cruden with another chance to prove himself. Barrett is fine as long as he doesn't have to tackle anyone. Rest of the changes are predictable really. Could go either way with Sam Whitelock and Brodie Retallick, same with Messam/Vito (would have stuck with Messam probably). Looking forward to seeing Charlie step up as well. Will be a tough match I reckon. I kind of want the AB's to unleash and score 50 but I also want the Argies to be competitive. Hmmm a 4 try win, 35-18 will do.


Where has Beauden Barrett come from? Did he go to Junior RWC's for the Darkness?

IIRC the recent Jnr RWC Players of the Series have nearly all been Darkness #10's.

2008 Slade
2009 Cruden
2010 Blyendall
2011 Anscome
2012 was a Saffer I think?

I think he was playing S15 footy during the Jnr RWC this year, so at best it seems as if he was a the second choice #10 if he went to a previous Jnr RWC.

He played JRWC in 2011, he came off the bench in the first match (to satisfy selection requirements) then played fullback or switched to centre for the rest. Scored a number of tries and was a stand out alongside Charles Piutau.
 

aeneas

Tom Lawton (22)
Barret was sensational for the Canes and has been very good for the cousin botherers in Taranaki in the ITM.
 

Scorz

Syd Malcolm (24)
Zero confidence in Vito and Faumuina. One is still a sevens player, the other is from Auckland/Blues, and has dodgy ankles.
 

aeneas

Tom Lawton (22)
Zero confidence in Vito and Faumuina. One is still a sevens player, the other is from Auckland/Blues, and has dodgy ankles.
I tend to agree. Vito needs a huge performance to get ahead of messam. I think they are rushing Faumuina into the set up. I do like the replacement of Gear I don't think he got enough done against the green and gold menace.
 

Dan54

David Wilson (68)
.Vito has been bought in to give Messam a breather apparently, also a chance to push his case.
 

Brumbieman

Dick Tooth (41)
I think the Argies will take this one.

They were excellent against the Boks last week, and the pressure they will put on the breakdown I think may just blunt the AB's enough.
 

tigerland12

John Thornett (49)
I think the Argies will take this one.

They were excellent against the Boks last week, and the pressure they will put on the breakdown I think may just blunt the AB's enough.
You're sense of humor is confuses me. Surley this was said in a sarcastic tone.
 

ACT Crusader

Jim Lenehan (48)
It's Carter's defensive game that makes him a stand out player and as shown in the two Wallaby tests and Irish series, his tackling ha been very important. Cruden is simply not as reliable. Nothing wrong with Cruden's attacking game and taking on the line, but I'll hold my breath a little when they start attacking Cruden's channel.

It was noticeable in the Chiefs that Cane, Lats and co did a very good job in getting into that channel to support Cruden.
 

ACT Crusader

Jim Lenehan (48)
I understand the selections of Savea and Retallick, as the two they are replacing haven't had much of an impact. But Vito over Messam is a bit confusing, hopefully you're right about Hansen keeping him fresh FrankLind.

I don't think this game will be a thrashing. The All Blacks will win comfortably but I think it might go the same way is it did in the World Cup, that being Argentina stay in contention untill the last 20.

The returns of Leguizamon and Creevy, two of their best forwards, are a massive boost for the Argies, not to mention Juan Martin Hernandez coming back.

I think it'll be about 18-12 with half an hour to go, but then the All Blacks to put on a few tries.

Whitelock was IMO the best AB over the Irish series. He's consistent as is always among the top tacklers and/or clearers at ruck time. He's not a ball carrying lock but has been our kick offs and lineout specialists
 

Bon

Ward Prentice (10)
I think this game could be quite close. Bad weather is predicted and I like to see Carter running the ship when conditions dictate a forward battle. God help Henry if the Pumas win:)
 
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