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Agreed, but Giteau is an attacking threat whereas Barnes doesnt seem to be because he kicks too much. Barnes kicking was better than Giteau's but he kicked far, far too much.

I think he's closer to a naughty boy than the messiah, but it annoys me when people blame a player when the performance doesnt warrant that blame. I know you werent blaming him for the Bok loss, but you clearly do for the AB loss. I dont think its quite so straightforward. If our forwards...

I have assumed Gits will be rubbed out for a week. Didnt realise Kimlin was injured in France. I agree completely about Diggers.

The quality of rugby analysis on this site is sinking fast. Hoiles? Louie you must be Hoiles' mum. You mention him at every opportunity. Chisolm after 1 game back from 3 months off? A host of changes after a close loss that Wallaby mistakes were largely responsible for? Both locks were quiet in...

I'd like Deans to bring T Smith into the squad.

Well done to the Boks. I agree with Naza that its insane to kick the ball back to the opposition all the time though. Barnes might have a great boot, but I'd like to see a little bit more Nathan Grey in him. The defence knows we are going to kick it or spread it very wide. We dont seem to play...

I think its more than that. I dont think its in the interests of anyone for this stuff to make it into the public domain. I'm betting on a settlement.

Lote has a new contract, neither of them want this in the papers - time to come to the table and talk lads. Lote will be particularly unpopular if his taking this to court exposes other players as having been doing something they would rather wasnt public knowledge. I wonder what price Lote...

Agreed, but JOC (James O'Connor) is 19 now and 19 v 20 is comparable. Gagger - speaking of Napoleon Dynamite, and way off topic, have you seen Blades of Glory? Classic.

Scotty you saw more than you think of Steyn at a similar age. He won a world cup when he had just turned 20. They are both enormous talents. We expected much more from them at a young age than we are entitled to. Steyn has played for a strong team for his whole senior career and has had senior...

Its accepted that there are enormous problems at the Reds. Rocky seemed destined to end up there and things changed quickly. Perhaps the same thing happened. I suspect that Barnes wanted to stay at the Reds but was convinced by those around him it would be good for him to move.

From all reports, Norths' Andrew Smith is doing well too.

A lack of faith in the market doesnt make you a heretic. If left to the market, the Reds may or may not survive and if they did survive, may not prosper again for many years. The best way to ensure a balance of talent between the squads is some sort of transfer system.

I almost agree with you naza. Apart from Barnes, there are 3 players I would be happy for Deans to give a run at 12. One is Giteau and the others are AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) and Tyrone Smith. Ultimately we should pick the best 12 available and I'm not convinced that is Barnes.

You are spot on there Noddy. There is something rotten going on. As for the transfer systems etc where are all the "free market" adherents? Won't the invisible hand of the market rectify everything?

Re: 2009 Shute Shield Loving the club rugby reports gents. Keep it up.

All from rugby backgrounds who went to league and then came back. Tahu, Tuqiri and Sailor had no rugby background. Noddy I think most of yours are the same as Elsom, Palu and Robinson arent they?

Yep, you are right. We are gunna smoke you mofos like cuban cigars.

Unless he turns into a moron. Moses you are sacked from Waratah recruitment.

Re: Comings and goings at the Force Sorry, I shouldnt skim read. You are right about the funny stuff too.