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To pay the corrupt SA government officials? There is never enough.

Apology not needed. We are on the interweb and people have the right to their views. Thank you. They are trying to make it work, as we speak.

but they were fit players. after a full season. f*ck, guys. seriously.

You sound like you strongly dislike anything South African. If there was an award for "poster who is the shining light of ignoring facts", you would be the life time winner mate. You still do not understand the history of this decision, or are you just going to remain petulant? THEY ONLY...

Does Rieko desserve to be dropped for the sloppy finish? He is still electric and was the best 13 on display in Super Rugby A. He will never do that again. I think they should persist. Caleb to 14 and Jordie to bench.

I have no doubt that the ARU would have been as cautious, if not more so.

SA has a magnitude more quality players in Europe and Japan. It's not just "a couple of locks." Who would you pick from Europe other than three locks, McMahon and Kerevi? There would be no justifiction outside those names. Of the 23 RWC final squad, 15 are contracted overseas. The next tier...

Look I agree they player welfare issue is a bit overblown. The logistics and selection issues are much bigger.

Yes. South African Rand is about 20 to the USD and a crumbling economy. You can pick a competitive bok 23 tomororw from NH players. What is your point?

You are ignoring the facts.

You seem to be adamant that you are point blank going to ignore the facts. Last attempt: 1. SANZAR negotiated with the 4 partners and everyone knew the facts 2. SA said sure we will try our best but a) we do not know if out guvment will let us out and b) we have no idea when we can train let...

Like what? Covid 20 instead of 19? A healthcare system that could cope? A non-corrupt political system and an economy not failing? Less than 70% of people starving in shanty towns? Dying to hear.

South African government... Think banana republic...

Ok I was trying hard to not do the usual but that's impossible these days. :( So the gov gave go-ahead on Saturday, why the holdup then?

True but had they been a bit better prepared I would have loved seeing a groups of youngsters being given a chance, even if the lost.

Some perspective, Ignoring facts seems to have become a disease these days. https://www.sarugbymag.co.za/boks-player-welfare-priority/

Who is Martin Gillingham.? I call bullshit. Nothing in SA media as fo now

Again, SA's participation was always open-ended and unconfirmed. Is SANZAAR felt at the time that was an issue they should have ended it then.

Bullshit. Now you're just being a dickhead. At the time of SANZAAR negations SA Rugby made it clear that it depends on 1. government clearance, and 2. whether the coaches feel they have a squad of fit enough players. Nobody is changing their minds no. SA Rugby has always made it clear...

Hang on. Weak reasons? They will not have access to Euro players until end week on November or later. Those players will not train with the squad until literally the third week of November, Japanese players are out of the question. They have had totally disrupted preparation. Did you...