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Speaking of ramifications.... Looking at the Subbies website Lindfield has gone up to Div 1 with nobody coming down. Could be a very painful year for some clubs. Looking at 1st grade results I'm not sure Lindfield are up to it and Iggies will have had to have done some impressive recruiting...

It has been a while. St Leo's became part of Beecroft who had a meteoric rise to Kentwell then had a horrible crash to Div 4 last year. This drop in divisions set them up for a ridiculously successful season which has, arguably, created broader ramifications for all of Suburban Rugby. Read...

You're so right about losing Colts can damage the longer term health of the Club. If sanity doesn't prevail at Subbies, a suggestion for Iggies could be run 4th or 3rd Grade as a Colts side only (depending on the quality of their Colts - Iggies are pretty good). This way they keep the Colts...

As one of those said "Masters" a lot of assumptions have been made about Club's lower grades. While the older players tend to congregate in 3rd and 4th grade, it would be naive to assume the teams would be entirely made up of them. You take these guys out for a separate comp and you would find...

Unless Subbies is willing to look at the number of grades, neither Forest or Lindfield would survive. If you look at the results, the teams from those Clubs that didn't do well, got smacked. Forest Colts 2 wins from 14 Forest 3rd's 3 wins from 14 Lindfield 1st's 4 wins from 14 Lindfield...

Probably the best option because Clubs would have to hobble their top grades to pull it off. The problem of lower grade players being replaced is the curse of unintended consequences when the culture is strong. Counter-intuitive I know. But the guys running around in 3's and 4's are usually...

I'm not sure if it's due to conning or evidence of the law of unintended consequences. Beecroft were having their "hats" handed to them on a weekly basis and were forced to forfiet 4's and 5's nearly every week. I beleive they even forfeited a 3's game at one point. (happy to be corrected)...

Actually, it can depend on the culture of the Club. Most 4th graders have served their time. They play because they love the club and love the game. Those guys "forced" to play up generally don't mind. If the Club culture is strong enough guys play for fun. I coached a team that never won a...

Hi Fkj, I'm sorry for being a fool. Yes I heard something that would tarnish the reputation of a good club. I'm not the most connected, so if I've heard it then others would have. Rather than just go along with saying unnamed clubs are allegedly paying I ask the direct question directly of the...

Hey Fkj, I'm not making this up and I'm on the record as saying I think Hills will be there at the business end. This is why the rumour makes no sense. To me anyway. I'm curious as to what clubs have had players approached and why Hills would bother. Hence the request for clarification from...

Interesting, yet confusing gossip. Would love a confirm or deny. Hills have approached a number of players at other Div 2 Clubs. 1. Why would they after demolishing Div 3? 2. The rumour is brown paper bags were on offer. 3. Nobody currently in a Div 2 Clubs is anywhere near Yattenden Park I...

I'd be backing Newport vs Hills. The aforementioned teams will be discovered and disqualified. If rumours be true then that would be justice served. Am I the only one who thinks the kind of money reportedly being spent by some clubs is ludicrous. What, on gods green earth, is the benefit of...

Not sure if this reasoing has been covered elsewhere.... Allow foreign based selection for the sake of the finances. 1. Top players get their money and the Wallabies have access to top match-hardened players without the cost. 2. The huge amounts of cash currently being spent on top-up payments...

Under the integrity rules, paying coaches is allowed......problem solved;)

Should have clarified. In this instance it's comparing from a base legitimacy point of an Iraqi election under Suddam

Ironically the Brothers exodus may be more legitimate than many othe things going on in Clubland. For all their "talent" Brothers were never a Div 1 club. They had no depth and to stay competitive up there you have to train. Why not just cross the Roseville bridge for a team that has a fair...

Not sure I agree Hans. "No Rucking" has surely got to be the stupidest rule in Rugby:D

For the bush lawyers out there. With this supposed Hola deal, if a Club makes a contract that contradicts it's conditions with the governing body, is the contract valid?

Keep your source but without naming the Subbies Club involved one can only call BS on this statement. Not only should this be backed up but the Integrity Officer should be informed and evidence provided. Otherwise what's the point of raising this here? "Look at me, I have inside info....." I...

Fair enough Super Rugby. It seems I was reading a link between Colleagues being arseholes and financial inpropriety. There's a lot on player payments on this thread, maybe the topic of "who's the biggest wankers" should be covered on a different thread:D So the guy wants to brag about how wonderful...