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QLD Premier Rugby 2025

PhilClinton

Mark Ella (57)
Honest question, would Sean Graham be interested? Nudgee Director of Rugby is one of the better rugby gigs in Australia short of working for a Super Rugby franchise or the Wallabies.
Yeh mate it's a fair question. I know Sean quite well and he loves his job but he also loves a challenge. I think the biggest hurdle would be the cash.

Nudgee would have him tied up on some good coin and I doubt GPS would be able to match it or come close honestly.

I've also heard the Phins have made it clear to Nudgee brass that they like Sean and are keen to ensure he stays at the school long term (i.e. they'll throw some coin into his package if needed). He had a big hand to play with Robert Toia's development whilst he was at the school and look what happened there. I think the leaguies reckon his temperament and personality are a good fit and positive role model for some of the blokes they'll be filtering through.

In short - I think it's a very long shot we see Sean head to GPS in the next 5-10 years but who knows.
 

The not so fast prop

Bob McCowan (2)
Agree!

Plus, I reckon the quality of premier grade refereeing has improved across the board over the last few years. Still can get better of course, but so can the players.

Individual decisions here and there are questionable at every level of the game, but I think it has become a lot rarer to have bad refereeing performances over whole games.
There’s no doubt we’ve got some talented young referees coming through in QPR—guys like Pook, Marshall, and a few others really stand out. But the reality is, the overall standard of refereeing in the lower grades is poor. I’ve watched a few games recently, and honestly, the standard is extremely poor— It’s not even enjoyable to watch, let alone fork out $500–$600 a season just to end up frustrated because some bloke with a whistle thinks he’s the most important person on the field. That’s not what community rugby is meant to be about.
The old boys’ club is still alive and well. Some good young referees get crucified for minor mistakes, while a few older or ‘protected’ refs keep getting appointed week after week—even in games where they’re clearly out of their depth.
And before anyone comes at me for saying this—I’ve been a ref myself. I did it for a few years, but I walked away from it in Brisbane because of exactly this kind of stuff.
If players, coaches, and volunteers are held to account, then referees should be too. It’s part of being involved in the game. What’s frustrating is seeing some officials repeatedly handed games they’re not up to, while younger refs with real potential are overlooked—either because they’re seen as too “green” or because they’re not part of the inner circle. That’s not how you build quality pool of referees.
There’s this strange ideology floating around that referees are somehow above criticism—that we should never question their performance. But why? Every other part of the game is open to feedback, review, and improvement. Referees shouldn’t be exempt from that. Honest critique isn’t abuse—it’s how the game gets better and more enjoyable for everyone including the referees
 

Cole

Ward Prentice (10)
There’s no doubt we’ve got some talented young referees coming through in QPR—guys like Pook, Marshall, and a few others really stand out. But the reality is, the overall standard of refereeing in the lower grades is poor. I’ve watched a few games recently, and honestly, the standard is extremely poor— It’s not even enjoyable to watch, let alone fork out $500–$600 a season just to end up frustrated because some bloke with a whistle thinks he’s the most important person on the field. That’s not what community rugby is meant to be about.
The old boys’ club is still alive and well. Some good young referees get crucified for minor mistakes, while a few older or ‘protected’ refs keep getting appointed week after week—even in games where they’re clearly out of their depth.
And before anyone comes at me for saying this—I’ve been a ref myself. I did it for a few years, but I walked away from it in Brisbane because of exactly this kind of stuff.
If players, coaches, and volunteers are held to account, then referees should be too. It’s part of being involved in the game. What’s frustrating is seeing some officials repeatedly handed games they’re not up to, while younger refs with real potential are overlooked—either because they’re seen as too “green” or because they’re not part of the inner circle. That’s not how you build quality pool of referees.
There’s this strange ideology floating around that referees are somehow above criticism—that we should never question their performance. But why? Every other part of the game is open to feedback, review, and improvement. Referees shouldn’t be exempt from that. Honest critique isn’t abuse—it’s how the game gets better and more enjoyable for everyone including the referees
I'm all for accountability with ref's, players, coaches etc, but I can assure you referee's have mentors and coaches who give them feedback on their performance after every game. I'm not involved in that side of it but was chatting with a mate who is a referee coach/mentor. I was chatting with him while he was speaking with a Colts 1 ref, who had a reasonable game with a couple of pretty poor decisions. I didn't realise refs only get paid around $60 a game, think slightly more for Premier Grade, honestly I wouldn't do it for that. You give up your Saturday to get abused by people who largely don't know the rules anyway and get $60 for your troubles, no thanks
 

Punter Pete

Frank Row (1)
I'm all for accountability with ref's, players, coaches etc, but I can assure you referee's have mentors and coaches who give them feedback on their performance after every game. I'm not involved in that side of it but was chatting with a mate who is a referee coach/mentor. I was chatting with him while he was speaking with a Colts 1 ref, who had a reasonable game with a couple of pretty poor decisions. I didn't realise refs only get paid around $60 a game, think slightly more for Premier Grade, honestly I wouldn't do it for that. You give up your Saturday to get abused by people who largely don't know the rules anyway and get $60 for your troubles, no thanks
Rugby referees like rugby players join a club (QRRA) just like players join a club and do it because they enjoy it just like the players. The payment is a small incentive but I would imagine that most of them referee because they enjoy it and want to contribute to the game. Hence why a lot of ex players end up refereeing as a way to continue to contribute to our great game.
 

JRugby2

Arch Winning (36)
There’s no doubt we’ve got some talented young referees coming through in QPR—guys like Pook, Marshall, and a few others really stand out. But the reality is, the overall standard of refereeing in the lower grades is poor. I’ve watched a few games recently, and honestly, the standard is extremely poor— It’s not even enjoyable to watch, let alone fork out $500–$600 a season just to end up frustrated because some bloke with a whistle thinks he’s the most important person on the field. That’s not what community rugby is meant to be about.
The old boys’ club is still alive and well. Some good young referees get crucified for minor mistakes, while a few older or ‘protected’ refs keep getting appointed week after week—even in games where they’re clearly out of their depth.
And before anyone comes at me for saying this—I’ve been a ref myself. I did it for a few years, but I walked away from it in Brisbane because of exactly this kind of stuff.
If players, coaches, and volunteers are held to account, then referees should be too. It’s part of being involved in the game. What’s frustrating is seeing some officials repeatedly handed games they’re not up to, while younger refs with real potential are overlooked—either because they’re seen as too “green” or because they’re not part of the inner circle. That’s not how you build quality pool of referees.
There’s this strange ideology floating around that referees are somehow above criticism—that we should never question their performance. But why? Every other part of the game is open to feedback, review, and improvement. Referees shouldn’t be exempt from that. Honest critique isn’t abuse—it’s how the game gets better and more enjoyable for everyone including the referees
Imagine being a (presumably) grown adult and writing an essay to complain about the standard of lower grade referees who are getting up early on a Saturday, turning up to dew covered grounds and making sure that the game you hold dear actually happens.

Who honestly gives a fuck if the lower grade referees aren’t that good - neither are the players. Be glad they’re even there. Just because you apparently used to hold a whistle doesn’t excuse you from being a dickhead.
 

Bulldog

Colin Windon (37)
Premier grade ladder after round 17
Wests (12 wins) 65
Bros (12) 63
Easts (12) 61
Bond (8) 47
Souths (6) 40

So the top 4 is set noting that if Bond beat Norths next weekend they will finish with 9 wins - one short of the historic average of 10 wins required for finals qualification.

If:
Bros def Souths they’ll finish on 67/68 points & 13 wins
Easts def GPS finish on 65/66 points & 13 wins
Wests with Rnd 18 bye finish on 65 & 12 wins.

If Easts & Wests finish on 65 - the tie breaker is the number of wins - Easts go through.

Wests will be relying on a Souths or GPS upset to make the major semi.
 
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Bulldog

Colin Windon (37)
Upset wins by Bond over GPS and Norths over Wests in reserve grade yesterday have put Wests in a difficult position - if Bond defeat Norths next weekend then Wests miss finals footy and Bond come into the 4 of Brothers, GPS, Easts & Bond. Winner of GPS v Easts will progress to major semi v Bros. whilst the loser will take on Wests/Bond in the minor.

Much to play for in Prems & Reserves next Saturday particularly at Yoku, Crosby and Shaw Roads.
 
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PhilClinton

Mark Ella (57)
If Easts & Wests finish on 65 - the tie breaker is the number of wins - Easts go through.

Wests will be relying on a Souths or GPS upset to make the major semi.

You'd think the higher likelihood is GPS playing for some pride down at Yoku and knocking off Easts. Although some of their worst losses this year have come at home.

Souths getting up at Crosby when Brothers are playing for the minor premiership would be a mammoth win.

Neither Brothers or Easts will be keen to rest too many blokes with that top 2 position still on the line. You'd think Bond will let a few blokes play limited minutes considering they can't move.
 

The not so fast prop

Bob McCowan (2)
Premier grade ladder after round 17
Wests (12 wins) 65
Bros (12) 63
Easts (12) 61
Bond (8) 47
Souths (6) 40

So the top 4 is set noting that if Bond beat Norths next weekend they will finish with 9 wins - one short of the historic average of 10 wins required for finals qualification.

If:
Bros def Souths they’ll finish on 67/68 points & 13 wins
Easts def GPS finish on 65/66 points & 13 wins
Wests with Rnd 18 bye finish on 65 & 12 wins.

If Easts & Wests finish on 65 - the tie breaker is the number of wins - Easts go through.

Wests will be relying on a Souths or GPS upset to make the major semi.
"The top four might be locked in, but there’s still plenty to play for in the final round—it could still have a big impact on how things finish up." how good
 

FNC Rugby

Allen Oxlade (6)
I'm all for accountability with ref's, players, coaches etc, but I can assure you referee's have mentors and coaches who give them feedback on their performance after every game. I'm not involved in that side of it but was chatting with a mate who is a referee coach/mentor. I was chatting with him while he was speaking with a Colts 1 ref, who had a reasonable game with a couple of pretty poor decisions. I didn't realise refs only get paid around $60 a game, think slightly more for Premier Grade, honestly I wouldn't do it for that. You give up your Saturday to get abused by people who largely don't know the rules anyway and get $60 for your troubles, no thanks
it's all good, some of us turn up to referee junior rugby and cop abuse from parents of 12–15-year olds because they think their kid is the next Tate Mcdermott or on the GC more likely the next Ardie. The parents are some dipsticks who spend more time watching NRL and think they actually know the laws. As a referee i actually don't give a 5hit about your kid or your grandiose thoughts that his minimal ability is going to make him a future start. Ive seen kids referee one game and never come back due the torrent of abuse leveled at them by grown adults because they missed an offside or a forward pass. The kids are just as bad, i had one kid (u13) ask me if i wanted to see his Qld country jersey.
 

The not so fast prop

Bob McCowan (2)
Imagine being a (presumably) grown adult and writing an essay to complain about the standard of lower grade referees who are getting up early on a Saturday, turning up to dew covered grounds and making sure that the game you hold dear actually happens.

Who honestly gives a fuck if the lower grade referees aren’t that good - neither are the players. Be glad they’re even there. Just because you apparently used to hold a whistle doesn’t excuse you from being a dickhead.
Imagine being so far up your own arse you think refs are above criticism just because they got up early and walked through some wet grass. And God forbid someone has an opinion — suddenly it's all name-calling and cheap shots. Clearly, I struck a nerve.

And yeah, presumably we’re adults — so maybe act like it, instead of throwing a tantrum because someone has an opinion.
 

PhilClinton

Mark Ella (57)
Imagine being so far up your own arse you think refs are above criticism just because they got up early and walked through some wet grass. And God forbid someone has an opinion — suddenly it's all name-calling and cheap shots. Clearly, I struck a nerve.

And yeah, presumably we’re adults — so maybe act like it, instead of throwing a tantrum because someone has an opinion.

I don't think it's so much that refs are above criticism in general but more which refs your criticism is aimed at.

Your original post was specifically having a crack at lower grades referees and saying how bad it is. Like mate, no shit, reffing those games in general is always going to be tougher and you're always going to have less experienced refs.

You make reference to players, coaches and volunteers (not sure why included?) being held to account - but no one on these forums is really calling for the coach of a 4th grade side to be better.

Querying or questioning ref decisions (within reason) is valid at the top end of town where they get paid big bucks. But I don't think the refs having a crack at 9am in the morning to ref 5th grade need to be called out.
 

JRugby2

Arch Winning (36)
Imagine being so far up your own arse you think refs are above criticism just because they got up early and walked through some wet grass. And God forbid someone has an opinion — suddenly it's all name-calling and cheap shots. Clearly, I struck a nerve.

And yeah, presumably we’re adults — so maybe act like it, instead of throwing a tantrum because someone has an opinion.
Mate if you're gonna act like a pelican don't be annoyed when people throw chips at you.
 
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