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Dan54
David Wilson (68)
I never said that, all I said in rugby it's not something I have ever heard discussed here is all. I thought where I said it's a personal thing ,it made it clear that it not that noone is right or wrong, just what I believe.
And if Warriors id it, not sure of 2 things. Warriors are a club, so how were they having a test match? And I would never use league as a measuring stick anyway.
Hey I don't mind if you and others are for it, I still against it, same as I was against calling teams (and posted on here) an ANZAC team to play Lions etc, not what ANZAC means is all.
And if Warriors id it, not sure of 2 things. Warriors are a club, so how were they having a test match? And I would never use league as a measuring stick anyway.
Hey I don't mind if you and others are for it, I still against it, same as I was against calling teams (and posted on here) an ANZAC team to play Lions etc, not what ANZAC means is all.
The Ghost of Raelene
Nick Farr-Jones (63)
Nothing to do with sport really.
Too important for what though?
Surely if you deem ANZAC Day as important, having a large public event with a respectful ANZAC Day service is a good way to commemorate it.
The attendance at the ANZAC Day NRL game in NZ last year surely attests to the fact that plenty of New Zealanders are interested in going to an ANZAC Day sporting event. Are those people trashing the day or are they engaging with it in a perfectly respectful way.
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
I understand what you saying,, I just don't agree with using the day to make money out of is all I have ever said. Thousands of people get up and go to dawn parades etc tocommemerate the day, without needing a sport event to go to.
But anyway, I think it not something I agree with, and some of you think we should use it to make money for Rugby unions, thats ok, we see things differently. And don't pretend it's for any other reason than marketing the game. I believe NZR if they saw enough advantge in it would sell out too, so as I said I was against them even discussing it.
But anyway, I think it not something I agree with, and some of you think we should use it to make money for Rugby unions, thats ok, we see things differently. And don't pretend it's for any other reason than marketing the game. I believe NZR if they saw enough advantge in it would sell out too, so as I said I was against them even discussing it.
The Ghost of Raelene
Nick Farr-Jones (63)
I get splinters on this one.
I hate the commercialisation of ANZAC anything but I do like the spectacle of everyone coming together and recognition of the day. I hate the idea Rugby is bitter because of the financial gain that could happen from this fixture and that they may not get this now. I'd be fully behind it if RA said were giving 50% of gate to Legacy or the Invictus Games.
Pubs love Two Up but they also love people wandering into the pokies once they have a gut full.
I find myself wanting to be half glass full about it and think that sports can be a vector to open more peoples eyes to the history of ANZAC Day and it's a great, fun way to introduce kids to the history of it.
I hate the commercialisation of ANZAC anything but I do like the spectacle of everyone coming together and recognition of the day. I hate the idea Rugby is bitter because of the financial gain that could happen from this fixture and that they may not get this now. I'd be fully behind it if RA said were giving 50% of gate to Legacy or the Invictus Games.
Pubs love Two Up but they also love people wandering into the pokies once they have a gut full.
I find myself wanting to be half glass full about it and think that sports can be a vector to open more peoples eyes to the history of ANZAC Day and it's a great, fun way to introduce kids to the history of it.
Are attendances at dawn services increasing or decreasing in New Zealand? Do NZ people go to the pub afterwards and play two-up or is that not a thing?
It's the biggest day of the year for RSL clubs in Australia (Returned and Services League of Australia clubs) so I don't really get the concept that there isn't a commercial element to the day. The groups organising the dawn services and the ANZAC Day marches are absolutely utilizing it for that purpose.
In my view you need to remain current and deciding forever that the day is about only doing x and we shouldn't offer something else is a surefire recipe for the day in general to lose importance.
You of course don't need to attend if there is a rugby test on that day. Conversely, other people can decide to go if they want (and clearly they do. The Crusaders hosted a game during the ANZAC round last year which featured a big crowd and an ANZAC service.
It's the biggest day of the year for RSL clubs in Australia (Returned and Services League of Australia clubs) so I don't really get the concept that there isn't a commercial element to the day. The groups organising the dawn services and the ANZAC Day marches are absolutely utilizing it for that purpose.
In my view you need to remain current and deciding forever that the day is about only doing x and we shouldn't offer something else is a surefire recipe for the day in general to lose importance.
You of course don't need to attend if there is a rugby test on that day. Conversely, other people can decide to go if they want (and clearly they do. The Crusaders hosted a game during the ANZAC round last year which featured a big crowd and an ANZAC service.
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
Actually from my take, the attendances have been pretty good here, and seem to be on way back up over last few years. (May have something to do with mentality after Covid etc) .
But even apart from ANZAC day etc (my thinking) Do we want the Super season to lose another couple of weeks and be shorter? Because with best will in the world, the teams will need at least a couple of weeks off so test players can train etc. Just doesn't make sense in anyway to me, And if you throw teams together for less time, it's going to turn into a stupid Baabaas type game.
But even apart from ANZAC day etc (my thinking) Do we want the Super season to lose another couple of weeks and be shorter? Because with best will in the world, the teams will need at least a couple of weeks off so test players can train etc. Just doesn't make sense in anyway to me, And if you throw teams together for less time, it's going to turn into a stupid Baabaas type game.
Dismal Pillock
Michael Lynagh (62)
Mr Thumb, do you have a newsletter I could subscribe to?
Adam84
John Eales (66)
This has nothing to do with NZRU or Kiwis protecting the integrity of ANZAC Day or taking a moral stance against commercialism.. 25k kiwis at the NZ Warriors match is proof they are just as hungry as Aussies to attend sporting events on ANZAC Day.. So let's drop that argument
Reality is, NZRU are a conservative organisation who don't like change unless the $$ are significant enough for them to justify it.. And the value mustn't have added up for them on this..
Reality is, NZRU are a conservative organisation who don't like change unless the $$ are significant enough for them to justify it.. And the value mustn't have added up for them on this..
wamberal99
Alex Ross (28)
I grew up being aware of that.
The irony here being that the conservatism of NZRU and Scott Robertson's hesitancy to play a test with short preparation even if the other side is in an identical position are more likely to damage the All Blacks long term than anything else. Dwindling finances will have a bigger impact on results than anything else.
Adam84
John Eales (66)
yes people are aware of it.. it wasn't a question of what the acronym means, but rather what does ANZAC mean as a concept today.
This is subjective; I did 20 years in the ADF, 6 deployments to the Middle East and lost just as many mates either as a direct result of service or a result of service injuries over time. So what it means to me differs to others. If it's a choice between playing the 'last post' at matches days after ANZAC Day, compared to attending a sporting event on ANZAC Day. I'd attend a match on sporting match on ANZAC Day every day of the week, I find the tokenism days after offensive and unecessary.
If I'm completely honest, watching/attending a sporting match is a good distraction later in the day from the melancholy of attending dawn service and a march in the morning.
But again, this isn't why NZRU chose not to support a ANZAC Day test, it was purely a $$ decision and fear of doing test preparation slightly differently to what they're used to.
This is subjective; I did 20 years in the ADF, 6 deployments to the Middle East and lost just as many mates either as a direct result of service or a result of service injuries over time. So what it means to me differs to others. If it's a choice between playing the 'last post' at matches days after ANZAC Day, compared to attending a sporting event on ANZAC Day. I'd attend a match on sporting match on ANZAC Day every day of the week, I find the tokenism days after offensive and unecessary.
If I'm completely honest, watching/attending a sporting match is a good distraction later in the day from the melancholy of attending dawn service and a march in the morning.
But again, this isn't why NZRU chose not to support a ANZAC Day test, it was purely a $$ decision and fear of doing test preparation slightly differently to what they're used to.
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