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John Thornett (49)
Australia appears to be an elephants grave yard for good coaches.
Wallabies v England November 1
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Ignoto
Geoff Shaw (53)
This is completely incorrect.
| Coach | Win Rate (%) | Tenure | Matches | Wins | Losses | Draws |
| Rod Macqueen | 79.07% | 1997–2001 | 43 | 34 | 8 | 1 |
| Alan Jones | 70.00% | 1984–1987 | 30 | 21 | 8 | 1 |
| John Connolly | 64.00% | 2006–2007 | 25 | 16 | 8 | 1 |
| Greg Smith | 63.16% | 1996–1997 | 19 | 12 | 7 | 0 |
| Bob Dwyer | 63.01% | 1982–1983; 1988–1995 | 73 | 46 | 26 | 1 |
| Daryl Haberecht | 60.00% | 1978 | 5 | 3 | 2 | 0 |
| Robbie Deans | 58.67% | 2008–2013 | 75 | 44 | 29 | 2 |
| Eddie Jones (1st Stint) | 57.89% | 2001–2005 | 57 | 33 | 23 | 1 |
| Ewen McKenzie | 50.00% | 2013–2014 | 22 | 11 | 10 | 1 |
| Michael Cheika | 50.00% | 2014–2019 | 68 | 34 | 32 | 2 |
| David Brockhoff | 46.67% | 1974–1975; 1979 | 15 | 7 | 8 | 0 |
| Joe Schmidt | 45.83% | 2024–Present | 24 | 11 | 13 | 0 |
| Bob Templeton | 44.83% | 1976; 1979–1982 | 29 | 13 | 16 | 0 |
| Dave Rennie | 36.36% | 2020–2023 | 33 | 12 | 18 | 3 |
| Eddie Jones (2nd Stint) | 22.22% | 2023 | 9 | 2 | 7 | 0 |
If Joe wins the next two matches he bumps up to 50% which meets Cheika and Links.
This is also a bloke who has taken over statistically the worst and second worst Wallabies team in the last 50 years.
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Peter Johnson (47)
I counted Eddie's two terms combined, so he's only just the 3rd lowerst ever
Major Tom
Chilla Wilson (44)
Poor results due to injuries.
In any case, what has having an experienced test coach delivered the Wallabies?
The good thing it's a coaching transition approach. First time that's happened... ever maybe? And while Kiss has been hands off, you'd have to think he would be planning in the background. It's more about nailing the assistant coach roles IMO and working with Horne to ensure there's more alignment (e.g. JAS playing where the national coach wants them playing).
Brumby Runner
George Gregan (70)
LF is coming in for a lot of criticism on the defensive patterns front (largely warranted) but he wouldn't be able to persevere with that system without the approval of the head honcho. Schmidt must be held equally accountable.
Tomthumb
Jim Lenehan (48)
This isn't really true. Ask Ulster fans about his tenure
Tomthumb
Jim Lenehan (48)
No he must be held more accountable. He's the head coach
Major Tom
Chilla Wilson (44)
K, you got any of their contact numbers?
Seriously though, if you get smashed by injuries you cannot win SRP (Super Rugby Pacific). Ask the 2014 Crusaders.
Tomthumb
Jim Lenehan (48)
What about the year before? What about every other year of his coaching career?
Strewthcobber
Phil Kearns (64)
To be fair, zero tries given up by the set defence on the weekend. Who are the "catching box kicks" and maul coaches?
Tomthumb
Jim Lenehan (48)
Maybe not, but the fact England could get over the advantage line every time made Australia far more susceptible to conceding penalties that in turn forced mauls and tries
Major Tom
Chilla Wilson (44)
Getting off the thread topic but who would you rather coach the wallabies? No silver bullet exists.
Strewthcobber
Phil Kearns (64)
I was mainly being tongue in cheek, and no way do I think it's a good system, but I do think Schmidt looks at this kind of thing and sees some kind of success from the defensive patterns (otherwise he would have changed it).
If we look at where the point scoring penalties/mauls came from against England. There was a holding call against Edmed following a box-kick for 3, then the maul tries were off Daugunu out on the full kick, and Hunter crawling along the ground. Again, none from a defence issue.
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Wilson
Tim Horan (67)
It is largely a strategy around risk minimization, similar to how our multi-phase attack works under Schmidt. That's not in and of itself a bad thing for test match rugby, and makes a lot of sense for a group building back up from rock bottom. Arguably a defensive system that produces the opportunity for McReight to steal the ball 5 times in one half (alongside not letting any points be "built" against us) is functioning very well, and the issues are elsewhere, like in our ability to capitalize in attack. But it's also not that simple, and our issues with the highball are in part down to the defence - both due to organization/positioning and a lack of immediate pressure on opposition kickers letting them execute unmolested.
Overall the very conservative approach in both attack is getting close to end of life in it's current guise, at least without a laser focused 10 to run it and really turn the screws, or the across the board discipline to starve oppositions of opportunity. Other teams are getting better at understanding and containing us, particularly while we're missing guys like Wright and McDermott who are really good at punishing small mistakes from opposition defences and can blow a game wide open blow a game wide open as a result.
All that said, I don't things are anywhere near as dire as people make them out to be. Building back from the Eddie year (and the downward slope that preceded it) was never going to be linear or simple. Having a something as important as a Lions tour this year further complicated that, meaning we needed to hit a local maxima in the middle of this year (which we more or less did) potentially at the expense of more steady and consistent development. We are set for a pretty solid coaching refresh imminently though, and we have a very good core of players just stepping into their prime in terms of both age and experience to support that. I think our outlook form here is probably better than it was heading into the last 2 world cups, even if we're coming off a lower base.
The other aspect here is probably that the team is overworked and we haven't scheduled well enough to match our player availability. Realistically this game should never have happened this weekend, and arguably both it and the Japan one shouldn't have happened this season at all.
Red Runner
Ted Thorn (20)
I said this when Wright got injured, JAS should have been moved to fullback. He was awesome there for the Tahs and it is now evident that we are lacking the spark at the back (and who knows when Tom will be back).
Is Italy a chance to try it?
15 JAS
13 Flook / Daugunu
12 Ikitau
or
13 Ikitau
12 Paisami
Joe seems fairly stubborn in his selection so I suspect it will be the Len / JAS combo in the centres, but I would love to see something more.
Is Italy a chance to try it?
15 JAS
13 Flook / Daugunu
12 Ikitau
or
13 Ikitau
12 Paisami
Joe seems fairly stubborn in his selection so I suspect it will be the Len / JAS combo in the centres, but I would love to see something more.
Major Tom
Chilla Wilson (44)
I'd revert back to our normal backline.
Leave Kellaway at fullback.
Daungunu on the bench with either Edmed or Carter.
Happy with Potter, Jorgenson and Pietch as our wingers tbh.
Pfitzy
Phil Waugh (73)
Part the first: CAN you fix the Wallabies now?
Part the second: sure. We've got a fuckload of money right now so, while the best time to start was "20 years ago", the next best time is now.
Will we? I dunno.
How many private school warmup games at Tahs fixtures does it take? Anyone?
Wilson
Tim Horan (67)
I don't want to argue that is all sorted because we clearly have a mountain of work to do in this regard, but the reform has also pretty clearly started - the pathways and age group program is well ahead of where they used to be, including breaking the under 18s away from schools as the premier team in the under 18 age group, something New Zealand are still struggling with.Part the first: CAN you fix the Wallabies now?
Part the second: sure. We've got a fuckload of money right now so, while the best time to start was "20 years ago", the next best time is now.
Will we? I dunno.
How many private school warmup games at Tahs fixtures does it take? Anyone?
There's a lot more to do (particularly around coaching development and lower level professional pathways) and more vision and direction required to get it done, but it's wrong to suggest we haven't started that reform.
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